N2rotation

Great job on the full page ad in USA Today 9/4 Money section page 3B. I think it sends a good message.

Does anybody have a link?

ALPA needs to do more of this. Weekly. Every carrier in negotiations should frequent USA Today.

threegreen

great read. i agree there needs to be more adds like that

HSLD

Try this: https://crewroom.alpa.org/ual/Deskto...cumentID=39901

travelJunky

I'm sure the flying public could care less and those who read the Money section of USA today are probably wondering how they can get into the profitable line of airline management if it is that easy according to the ALPA advertisement.

the King

It seems that the way to get into the ailine management circle is to be a manager at company, then go to an airline (using your connections) and then fail miserably. At this point you now have the experience required to run an airline. It seems that executive compensation is rapidly becoming a topic in many industries besides ours. I hope we can find a way to pay everyone fairly instead of just a few, especially considering the state of some of our industries.

HSLD

Agreed, I think there are better ways to spend $400,000 of member dues.

Sideshow Bob

It would appear that it is more frustration based than anything. During contract negotiations the IPA (UPS) bought full page ads about how UPS was outsourcing flying to China Air (PVG-BNA for Dell via UPS Logistics). Nobody gave a rats ass, as they likely figured their Dell was chaper because of it.

The only way to get Joe Six Pack Pudknocker's attention is to insinuate that they are being endangered by something or another. Or for NOBODY to show up for work for two straight days....

That is starting to sound pretty good to me...

seaav8tor

During indoc a flight ops admin person explained with the help of an overhead projector how the pilot pay was calculated. She said don't worry if you do not understand this. Most pilots here do not understand how they get paid. 12 years later I can validate her claim.

Point is this: (I know you all know this) We put in way more than 1 hour for 1 hour of pay. This makes the hourly wage look astronomical to Joe SixPac.

Since most pilots don't understand how they are paid, there is no way Joe SixPac will understand it. Thus the hourly pay, and pay hours are used as a tool by management to sway public perception against the crews.

Not until the gate keepers control the number of pilots will we see any real long term gains in this career. With MPL on the front and age 65 on the back, it appears any hope of controlling pilot "supply" is just a pipe dream.

The public will never support pilot pay gains. The ad was a waste of money.

This is why I'm quitting flying to become a pro football player. I heard they only work 2 hours each week and make Boo-Koo bucks per hour!

Spartan07

Quite frankly the best analogy of pilot pay I have ever seen... Too bad professional athletes get the stigma of being overpaid too... But then again, with the exception of Football, MMA, and Hockey I think they are but I digress...

cbire880

Executive compensation is becoming a national issue. Unless we see a market crash (which will hurt the excutives a lot since a good bit of their wealth is tied up in the market), there will be more attention towards why the working class wage has decreased in real dollars while executive wages have grown exponentially. The fundamental problem was stated above. Being an executive is an exclusive club. The only requirement is to be a member of that club. It doesn't matter if you failed miserably at your last job. Once you are an executive, you are valued. As such, the rest of the club works very hard to keep that pay growing so they can say "well such and such at company B makes x amount, why won't you pay me that much?"