tone

Not to start yet another all out brawl, but I am in the group of so-called e furloughed guys that some say will be "new hires" if the recalls ever reach us...So my question is this--IF indeed we end up actually treated as new-hires, does that mean we will start at the 1st year payscale, even if I was a 3rd year F/O, and will I be on probation for a year, or do I go in where I left off? Obviously I am really confused as I was years ago when we were integrated. Thanks...

EXTW

You go in where you left off.


EXTW

aa73

Hi Tone, I'll take a crack a it... at the risk of getting pot shots thrown at me.

The way I understand it, you would "flow through" to American the same way an Eagle pilot would "flow through" as part of a new hire class... WITH THE EXCEPTION THAT you were a previous TWA pilot, and therefore you would come back with your 3 year status.

In other words, the "new hire" term IS ONLY INDICATIVE of "flowing through" to AA even though it really is not a new hire class- it is a recall class. But since you're considered a "new hire" (haven't gone through DSI - dark side indoc, crossing over from LLC to AA), you would be lumped in with groups of Eagle pilots who are also eligible to flow through. The Eagle pilots would not ordinarily have been able to flow through until we started hiring, but thanks to the new definition of "new hire", they can suddenly flow, along with youse guys. The difference is, those Eagle pilots would flow through at first year pay, whereas you would start from year 3.

Anybody have different info, please feel free to correct me. This is mostly speculation on my part, based on several conversations with Eagle folks "in the know."

P.s. Re: the old thread that was closed. APA has ALWAYS been able to negotiate longevity for the returning furloughees. I don't see it being ANY different in this case. APA does not care about the background of the pilot - they are all AA pilots out of work. And by NOT negotiating longevity, they would screw over tons of natives and ex TWA pilots together, so that won't fly. Regardless of your background, APA represents you, and believe me when I say they WILL attempt to restore longevity. Now, what you want to believe based on "doom and gloom" scenarios from other skeptics is up to you - I am posting this based on past history.

73

EXTW

73,

Those AE guys "in the know", are giving their guys some pre-mature and very likely "false hope". This is the topic of the recent meetings since the arbitration decision. Let's wait until we see something "official" before you state that flowthroughs will come on board before all furloughees are back.

EXTW

BTW There are already guys back that had never crossed the fence.

PS The Captain reinstatements reffered to in the "other" post are only reinstatement rights, not actual Captain bid awards.

B757200ER

I have to agree aa73; your post is a little too optomistic for me, even if good-intentioned. And the Letter 3 issue is not resolved, and AE may not get the outcome they were hoping for. Time will tell.

aa73

Thanks guys: that's why I started my post with "as I understand it", meaning that, that's what would happen if approved.

Sorry if I wasn't clear about it, but I should've mentioned that it hasn't been ruled on yet.

Stay tuned...

aa73

There shouldn't be any doubt about that. Nobody comes back straight to the left seat unless their seniority can hold it - and the only way that would happen would be through a furlough stand in stead (which was her case.)

As it stands, the very first TWAers recalled stand to upgrade to CA by the end of the year, if they keep the reinstatements going at the same pace. Right now, the first TWA recallee is only 9 numbers away from reinstating to MD80 CA.

FliFast

aa73,

I'd have to agree with you. I've talked to a couple in recall class that have said the same thing you mentioned.

Quick question, how many S80 F/Os are there in STL, do you know ? Thanks

FF

tone

Anyone have any idea how many Eagle guys fall under Letter 3?

7576FO

261 S80 FO's in St Louis.

Eff Oct 1 07'