How much should a pilot be paid? Pt. II
01-01-2006, 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by ryane946
I was looking at pilot pay charts for the majors. Most of them end at 12 years. If you stay on the same aircraft in the same seat after 12 years at the company, does your pay still continue to increase, or does seniority not matter for pay after 12 years??
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Most do continue however the increases are less significant. Seniority does matter in regards to having control over schedules and choice of base or equipment type.
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01-01-2006, 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by conc26
No matter what opinions we have that differ here, I bet almost all if not all who work in the industry would agree that we have the safest aviation system in the world. No place safer to travel by air than in the U.S. And thats thanks to all of us.
01-01-2006, 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by conc26
Cushy retirement, more details please. I'll put in 25+ years when I'll first qualify for retirement. Is that cushy? I have a controller friend who's dad in retirement from DAL makes more than he will full time as a controller. Thats cushy. A UAL capt even after the BK will only make about 10K/yr less than I will in retirement, and thats a lot of time making twice what I do for who knows how long before that.
No matter what opinions we have that differ here, I bet almost all if not all who work in the industry would agree that we have the safest aviation system in the world. No place safer to travel by air than in the U.S. And thats thanks to all of us.
No matter what opinions we have that differ here, I bet almost all if not all who work in the industry would agree that we have the safest aviation system in the world. No place safer to travel by air than in the U.S. And thats thanks to all of us.
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01-02-2006, 06:14 AM
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Not sure what you meant by the hostage and pay scales? Our pay scales are set by congress. If you're too old to be a controller, we might need to call ahead for a wheelchair for you if you plan to travel. Contracting out will continue for many slower facilities and many will be closed altogether. A trend that has continued for many years, nothing new about that and not something controllers really care about much as the agency need to become more efficient, fiscally responsible and invest in technology rather than more people. The slow places can and will be replaced by near minimum wage workers with no benefits and barebone staffing. Those controllers that are being displaced can either retire or move on to a busier facility. End of story. Change is part of the career, accept it.
01-02-2006, 07:38 AM
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Air traffic Control, an oxymoron??
Do we have an ATC guy giving pilots Sh** about how good we have it??
Hey ATC, how many nights a month you sleep in a bed not in your own house?? Don't answer if you think your wife may be lurking of this forum.
But a least you own a house. Most regional pilots your controlling can't afford a house. I would guess you make more than many two crews put together. And than the benefits.................
Hey ATC, how many nights a month you sleep in a bed not in your own house?? Don't answer if you think your wife may be lurking of this forum.
But a least you own a house. Most regional pilots your controlling can't afford a house. I would guess you make more than many two crews put together. And than the benefits.................
01-02-2006, 10:16 AM
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Read the posts. I'm not talking about regional guys. But flying a 11, details are probably not that important. Plenty of atc types don't own houses, again not the point. If you want to make this a controller/pilot thing you can, but be prepared to take some hits, especially if you are in the overpaid underworked category. It sounds like you are, and you certainly are if AMR signs your check.
01-02-2006, 11:33 AM
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conc26
conc26,
I think that you should take a second look at the industry as a whole. Sure there are a few salty dogs left who top 140K, but the vast majority of airline pilots are earning significantly less than a typical LA county deputy. They have no retirement, job security and only dream of having as many days off as a controller. Just take a tour of the pay scales that are listed on this web site. You probably earn more than twice the average of what a typical 121 pilot earns today.
On another note: I was told that there was a 28 year old maximum age for applying to become a controller. It that not the case?
SkyHigh
I think that you should take a second look at the industry as a whole. Sure there are a few salty dogs left who top 140K, but the vast majority of airline pilots are earning significantly less than a typical LA county deputy. They have no retirement, job security and only dream of having as many days off as a controller. Just take a tour of the pay scales that are listed on this web site. You probably earn more than twice the average of what a typical 121 pilot earns today.
On another note: I was told that there was a 28 year old maximum age for applying to become a controller. It that not the case?
SkyHigh
01-02-2006, 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by conc26
If you want to make this a controller/pilot thing you can, but be prepared to take some hits, especially if you are in the overpaid underworked category. It sounds like you are, and you certainly are if AMR signs your check.
It's this, "I'm under paid but you are over paid", mentality that is so corrosive in this business. I don't know what you know about AMR, but I assure you they are not over paid
Regarding your commute, I asked about nights out of town; you didn't answer, so I'll add to that, "how many birthdays have missed?? anniversaries?? Christmas, New Years??" And I don't mean you worked the day shift so you missed the punch at 6pm, I mean like you weren't even in the same hemisphere and wouldn't be there until after everyone's forgotten which holiday it just was??
Of and by the way, Happy New Year
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