Jumpseat on turboprops
10-03-2007, 05:34 PM
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Jumpseat on turboprops
I was trying to jumpseat home the other day on an airline other than my own. They only fly turboprops on this route and I was denied the jumpseat 3 flights in a row because the plane was "overweight" according to the gate agent. I noticed the agent never called or talked to crew in person to ask them. I'm sure the paper work showed overweight but I know when we show overweight we will do everything to adjust it to tolerance ie count children.
When I finally got on a flight with a seat in the back I checked in with the Captain and mentioned that this was my 4th try and he told me that they would always try to accomodate a JS'r but the agents don't alway check with them.
My question is.....is appropriate to ask the agent if they would mind checking with the crew without ****ing him/her off?
When I finally got on a flight with a seat in the back I checked in with the Captain and mentioned that this was my 4th try and he told me that they would always try to accomodate a JS'r but the agents don't alway check with them.
My question is.....is appropriate to ask the agent if they would mind checking with the crew without ****ing him/her off?
10-03-2007, 05:59 PM
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It sounds like you were trying to jump on a Dash 8-200. I suppose most other turboprops have a similar problem. Ever since the FAA changed the weight of the average pax the DHD-200 has sucked for j-seaters. They are pretty much zerofuel weight limited to something like 34 pax. I think the CSA's know that instead of 37 pax they can only carry 34. They should check with the PIC but are too lazy, overworked, and underpaid to bother.
Your best bet is to get the attention of the crew any way you can. Good luck.
Your best bet is to get the attention of the crew any way you can. Good luck.
10-03-2007, 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Hornet1
I was trying to jumpseat home the other day on an airline other than my own. They only fly turboprops on this route and I was denied the jumpseat 3 flights in a row because the plane was "overweight" according to the gate agent. I noticed the agent never called or talked to crew in person to ask them. I'm sure the paper work showed overweight but I know when we show overweight we will do everything to adjust it to tolerance ie count children.
When I finally got on a flight with a seat in the back I checked in with the Captain and mentioned that this was my 4th try and he told me that they would always try to accomodate a JS'r but the agents don't alway check with them.
My question is.....is appropriate to ask the agent if they would mind checking with the crew without ****ing him/her off?
When I finally got on a flight with a seat in the back I checked in with the Captain and mentioned that this was my 4th try and he told me that they would always try to accomodate a JS'r but the agents don't alway check with them.
My question is.....is appropriate to ask the agent if they would mind checking with the crew without ****ing him/her off?
10-03-2007, 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by mike734
It sounds like you were trying to jump on a Dash 8-200. I suppose most other turboprops have a similar problem.
10-04-2007, 08:12 AM
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True. With the change in FAA pax weights and the "no carry-on" FAA bag policy for Saabs, the typical "B" model is effectively a 30 - 31 seat aircraft, depending on empty weight. The last three or four seats are half-weight seats at best and just ballast most of the time. If the flight is booked at or over 31 adults, you can bet you will have a problem getting on. Ask the gate agent how many kids are booked. If there are three or four or more on a "full" flight, your chances just went up significantly.
10-04-2007, 12:23 PM
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always check with the captain if you can. I've seen gate agents turn around pax or jumpseaters at the gate becuase THEY thought the plane was weight restricted. IAD is really bad about that. THey come up with some magical number that is about 2000lbs short, and cut off the boarding at that point. THere is almost always a way to find room for a jumseater
10-05-2007, 03:53 PM
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Back in the turboprop days I was able to get jump seaters on several occasions because they only weighed 170 instead of 195. Of course those weights are company specific so it may be different. Rule of thumb is always talk to the captain if you can. Pilots tend to give more professional courtesy than gate agents.
Good luck
Good luck
10-05-2007, 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by WEACLRS
True. With the change in FAA pax weights and the "no carry-on" FAA bag policy for Saabs, the typical "B" model is effectively a 30 - 31 seat aircraft, depending on empty weight. The last three or four seats are half-weight seats at best and just ballast most of the time. If the flight is booked at or over 31 adults, you can bet you will have a problem getting on. Ask the gate agent how many kids are booked. If there are three or four or more on a "full" flight, your chances just went up significantly.
The most I've had on a saab was 33 pax. Actually a JS'r help our WB.
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