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Old 11-10-2005, 06:18 AM
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1-36 of 36 companies. Data as of 11/8/2005

Ticker Name Market Capitalization TTM Sales $ Employees
MktCap Weighted Average 6,024.317 8,642.627 37789

DLAKY Deutsche Lufthansa AG (ADR) 6,365.080 21,948.381 90373

AMR AMR Corporation 2,434.748 20,085.000 92100

UALAQ UAL Corporation 58.110 16,981.000 61000
AKH Air France - KLM (ADR) 4,520.249 16,167.440 102412
DALRQ Delta Air Lines, Inc. 107.539 15,344.000 69150
BAB British Airways plc (ADR) 6,140.692 14,132.420 49490
NWACQ Northwest Airlines Corporation 48.120 11,798.000 39342
CAL Continental Airlines, Inc. 877.009 10,915.000 38255
KLMR KLM Royal Dutch Airlines (USA) 348.732 7,299.665 31182
LUV Southwest Airlines Co. 12,905.575 7,251.000 31366
ALK Alaska Air Group, Inc. 895.110 2,900.600 10850
AWCR America West Holdings Corporation NA 2,713.348 10712
LCC US Airways Group, Inc. 2,009.000 2,550.801 43400
LFL Lan Airlines S.A. (ADR) 2,104.162 2,316.332 5795
RYAAY Ryanair Holdings plc (ADR) 7,084.722 1,836.267 2604
JBLU JetBlue Airways Corporation 1,924.352 1,589.326 5956
SKYW SkyWest, Inc. 1,751.534 1,548.372 6747
XJT ExpressJet Holdings, Inc. 490.228 1,544.828 6700
AAWW Atlas Air Worldwide Holdings, Inc. 610.252 1,414.661 1962
ATAHQ ATA Holdings Corp. 4.257 1,333.608 6900
AAI AirTran Holdings, Inc. 1,295.217 1,320.046 6100
GOL GOL Linhas Aereas Inteligentes SA (ADR) 3,896.635 1,121.551 3307
MESA Mesa Air Group, Inc. 323.324 1,087.207 5000
FRNT Frontier Airlines, Inc. 334.010 921.616 4526
RJET Republic Airways Holdings Inc. 652.129 812.210 2304
PNCL Pinnacle Airlines Corp. 129.916 757.027 3260
FLYI FLYi, Inc. 3.000 554.108 3683
MAIR MAIR Holdings, Inc. 111.307 464.807 3950
MEH Midwest Air Group, Inc. 49.332 450.629 2468
MDWYQ Midway Airlines Corp. .015 312.126 1868
WPACQ Western Pacific Airlines .041 183.306 1184
VGDAQ Vanguard Airlines .001 126.219 797
GLUX Great Lakes Aviation, Ltd. 9.147 73.282 541
HA Hawaiian Holdings, Inc. 117.325 69.922 3378
ZNH China Southern Airlines Limited (ADR) 1,177.527 NA 17569
CEA China Eastern Airlines (ADR) 698.893 NA 23377
 
Old 11-10-2005, 08:42 AM
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Airline Industry Select a New Industry


1-36 of 36 companies. Data as of 11/8/2005

Ticker Name Market Capitalization TTM Sales $ Employees
MktCap Weighted Average 6,024.317 8,642.627 37789

DLAKY Deutsche Lufthansa AG (ADR) 6,365.080 21,948.381 90373

AMR AMR Corporation 2,434.748 20,085.000 92100

UALAQ UAL Corporation 58.110 16,981.000 61000
AKH Air France - KLM (ADR) 4,520.249 16,167.440 102412
DALRQ Delta Air Lines, Inc. 107.539 15,344.000 69150
BAB British Airways plc (ADR) 6,140.692 14,132.420 49490
NWACQ Northwest Airlines Corporation 48.120 11,798.000 39342
CAL Continental Airlines, Inc. 877.009 10,915.000 38255
KLMR KLM Royal Dutch Airlines (USA) 348.732 7,299.665 31182
LUV Southwest Airlines Co. 12,905.575 7,251.000 31366
ALK Alaska Air Group, Inc. 895.110 2,900.600 10850
AWCR America West Holdings Corporation NA 2,713.348 10712
LCC US Airways Group, Inc. 2,009.000 2,550.801 43400
LFL Lan Airlines S.A. (ADR) 2,104.162 2,316.332 5795
RYAAY Ryanair Holdings plc (ADR) 7,084.722 1,836.267 2604
JBLU JetBlue Airways Corporation 1,924.352 1,589.326 5956
SKYW SkyWest, Inc. 1,751.534 1,548.372 6747
XJT ExpressJet Holdings, Inc. 490.228 1,544.828 6700
AAWW Atlas Air Worldwide Holdings, Inc. 610.252 1,414.661 1962
ATAHQ ATA Holdings Corp. 4.257 1,333.608 6900
AAI AirTran Holdings, Inc. 1,295.217 1,320.046 6100
GOL GOL Linhas Aereas Inteligentes SA (ADR) 3,896.635 1,121.551 3307
MESA Mesa Air Group, Inc. 323.324 1,087.207 5000
FRNT Frontier Airlines, Inc. 334.010 921.616 4526
RJET Republic Airways Holdings Inc. 652.129 812.210 2304
PNCL Pinnacle Airlines Corp. 129.916 757.027 3260
FLYI FLYi, Inc. 3.000 554.108 3683
MAIR MAIR Holdings, Inc. 111.307 464.807 3950
MEH Midwest Air Group, Inc. 49.332 450.629 2468
MDWYQ Midway Airlines Corp. .015 312.126 1868
WPACQ Western Pacific Airlines .041 183.306 1184
VGDAQ Vanguard Airlines .001 126.219 797
GLUX Great Lakes Aviation, Ltd. 9.147 73.282 541
HA Hawaiian Holdings, Inc. 117.325 69.922 3378
ZNH China Southern Airlines Limited (ADR) 1,177.527 NA 17569
CEA China Eastern Airlines (ADR) 698.893 NA 23377
Yea, my good friends on furlough from AA love this kinda news.
 
Old 11-10-2005, 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by AA777-ER
Airline Industry Select a New Industry


1-36 of 36 companies. Data as of 11/8/2005

Ticker Name Market Capitalization TTM Sales $ Employees
MktCap Weighted Average 6,024.317 8,642.627 37789

DLAKY Deutsche Lufthansa AG (ADR) 6,365.080 21,948.381 90373

AMR AMR Corporation 2,434.748 20,085.000 92100
Now just add cost of [borrowing] long term and short term debt, the debt itself, operating costs, labor costs, RASM, CASM, etc..... and you might see why even with 20B revenue, AMR is close to a breakeven operation at best (just like the rest of the industry).
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Old 11-10-2005, 09:49 AM
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Unfortunately, this does not mean a thing for us AA furloughees.
AA will continue to downsize, outsource to Eagle and screw their employees.
Anyone on furlough status better look for a long term job somewhere else (China?) as things will NOT go back to where they were ever.
Or do I want to be a junior S-80 FO at some crappy base I don't want - again after 10 years on combined reserve status?
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Old 11-10-2005, 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Gman
Unfortunately, this does not mean a thing for us AA furloughees.
AA will continue to downsize, outsource to Eagle and screw their employees.
Anyone on furlough status better look for a long term job somewhere else (China?) as things will NOT go back to where they were ever.
Or do I want to be a junior S-80 FO at some crappy base I don't want - again after 10 years on combined reserve status?
Exactly what happened to me. Almost 10 years to the day after my original hire date I was back at my major as a junior reserve F.O.. It was at a base of my choosing though I'm not going to do that again, but it was a sound decision at the time. Airline had just made $1 Billion in profit and was hiring 100 pilots per month. They had a pension that was 65% of FAE and a heck of a good group of guys to fly with.

Flying in China is fun, but even as a Captain, it gets old after awhile. Three years of doing that and I was saying to myslef and others that being an F.O. at a major is better than being a Captain overseas. Mind you, that was when the pay, pension, and work rules at a major were still good. Now I would find it harder to say that and would have to make it airline specific.


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Old 11-10-2005, 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Gman
Unfortunately, this does not mean a thing for us AA furloughees.
AA will continue to downsize, outsource to Eagle and screw their employees.

Or do I want to be a junior S-80 FO at some crappy base I don't want - again after 10 years on combined reserve status?
I agree. Going back to a major job (that was prestigious and well-paying when you left) that puts you on RSV in a junior base sucks. Not the same job you left, is it?

Of course, if you're a TWA pilot that was furloughed by AA, you'd also be hearing the "You're lucky to have a job" comments.

If only the junior AA pilots really knew that if it was'nt for the TWA acquisition, 2890 of THEM would be on the street instead of 1900 TWA pilots and only 1000 AA 99/00/01 hires.

Then again, if you listen to PDP'ers, all 2400 TWA pilots should have been axed.
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Old 11-11-2005, 12:45 PM
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AA Pre-TWA Fleet Count (2000 annual report)=717 aircraft

AA Present Fleet Count (2004 annual report)= 727 aircraft

The 2004 number does not count the 6 S-80's they parked in AUG/SEP of '05, giving us an approximate current fleet count of 721.

A roster check from AAPilots (3XP data) today shows approx. 518 STL/TWA pilots still on the property (approx. 5% of the total active seniority list), with the current fleet count within approx. 1% of its pre-TWA acquisition size (when the total number of TWA pilots was zero).

In summary, AA is within 1% of its pre-acquisition size, with approximately 5% of its pilot roster containing the pilots gained thru the transaction (consisting of approx. 15-20% of the acquired carrier's total seniority list of around 2500-3000.)

Even w/i ALPA and even with a stated Merger and Fragmentation policy such as they have, mergers are an ugly, ugly business...witness the growing apparent USAIR/CACTUS fracas. When the music stops and there aren't enough chairs....the knife fight starts.

I'm sure I'm not the first and probably won't be the last to wish the geniuses running airlines would find another, less disruptive expansion avenue.

FWIW.

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Now just add cost of [borrowing] long term and short term debt, the debt itself, operating costs, labor costs, RASM, CASM, etc..... and you might see why even with 20B revenue, AMR is close to a breakeven operation at best (just like the rest of the industry).

WRONG!

With 6% less US Capacity next year from Chapter 11 airlines, expect the AMR REVENUE MACHINE to continue!

With RASM UP 15.2% last Q, we expect RASM/YIELDS to Be UP another 10% next year! Thats 10% of $20 BILLION is a $2 BILLION dollar INCREASE with a VERY GOOD CHANCE OF FUEL DOWN $1 BILLION to $4.75 Billion for the year!

THATS A SWING OF $3 BILLION PROFIT!!

This is EXACTLY WHY AMR STOCK IS UP 80% IN THE LAST 30 DAYS!!


AMR stock trend has been a 5% increase for every $1 drop in OIL price!

Every $1 drop in OIL Reduces AMR COSTS/YEAR by $80 Million.

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Old 11-12-2005, 11:37 AM
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AA says it CAN make money at $60/b and grow!!

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Old 11-12-2005, 09:22 PM
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Flying in China is fun, but even as a Captain, it gets old after awhile. Three years of doing that and I was saying to myslef and others that being an F.O. at a major is better than being a Captain overseas. Mind you, that was when the pay, pension, and work rules at a major were still good. Now I would find it harder to say that and would have to make it airline specific.

If you HAD to do it again - what Chinese outfit would you recommend?
Looks like I am following in your footsteps...

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