Go Back  Airline Pilot Central Forums > Airline Pilot Forums > Major
Pilot Shortage-History Repeats Itself? >

Pilot Shortage-History Repeats Itself?

Notices
Major Legacy, National, and LCC

Pilot Shortage-History Repeats Itself?

Old 10-23-2007, 11:01 AM
  #1  
Gets Weekends Off
Thread Starter
 
Oldfreightdawg's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Sep 2006
Position: B-737
Posts: 392
Default Pilot Shortage-History Repeats Itself?

Time Magazine: 1964

Some things never change...

The Pilot Shortage
Friday, Jun. 26, 1964 Article ToolsPrintEmailReprintsSphereAddThisRSS


When the commercial jets flew into service, they made the airline pilot a surplus commodity. Because the airlines could carry many more people much faster, they needed smaller fleets of planes and fewer men to fly them. The lines laid off hundreds of pilots, demoted countless others to lower ranks in the cockpit. Now the situation has made a full turn; for the first time in the annals of peacetime aviation, there is a serious pilot shortage.

TWA says it "desperately needs pilots," recently hired 190 of them, its first newcomers since 1957. To sell flying careers to young men, it sends teams of pilots on speaking tours around the country. Pan Am hopes to hire up to 275 pilots this year. Eastern has been recruiting at Air Force bases, recently added 400. TWA, Eastern and United also have been advertising in the help-wanted columns, and United is busy at its large flight-training school at Denver, intends to break in more than 1,000 men over the next two years.

The pay is high, and can become skyhigh. Pilots who handle the large jets begin at $6,000 to $6,720 the first year, then soar to some $35,000, plus many benefits, by the ninth year—for 85 airborne hours a month.

Why, then, the shortage? For one thing, the surge in travel has led airlines to greatly expand their fleets; last week TWA announced the largest equipment order in its history, 33 jets totaling $162 million. The airlines have usually picked up many pilots from the ranks of young officers who quit the Air Force after a few years; but with the switch to missiles, the military is training fewer pilots. Simultaneously, many of the pioneering pilots of the 1920s and 1930s are reaching the compulsory retirement age of 60. The Air Line Pilots Association figures that 1,400 older commercial pilots—10% of the nation's total—will get their wings clipped within the next decade. Says A.L.P.A.'s magazine: "Only a national emergency requiring the training of thousands will create a surplus."

Here's the link:

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...898200,00.html

BTW: $35000 adjusted for 2007 $$$ is $235,000
Oldfreightdawg is offline  
Old 10-23-2007, 11:13 AM
  #2  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Ottopilot's Avatar
 
Joined APC: May 2006
Position: 737 CA
Posts: 2,575
Default

Originally Posted by Oldfreightdawg View Post

BTW: $35000 adjusted for 2007 $$$ is $235,000

That's the key point for me.
Ottopilot is offline  
Old 10-23-2007, 11:37 AM
  #3  
Gets Weekends Off
 
bigfatdaddy's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Aug 2007
Posts: 862
Default

As a first year guy - I'd be happy with $35,000
bigfatdaddy is offline  
Old 10-23-2007, 11:53 AM
  #4  
Line Holder
 
Joined APC: Nov 2005
Posts: 78
Default

Shortage is really only at the regional level, not so much at at the majors.
NYCPilot is offline  
Old 10-23-2007, 12:36 PM
  #5  
Gets Weekends Off
Thread Starter
 
Oldfreightdawg's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Sep 2006
Position: B-737
Posts: 392
Default

Originally Posted by NYCPilot View Post
Shortage is really only at the regional level, not so much at at the majors.
Not Yet, and maybe not for a while. But the pipeline is much smaller than in years past. It's been a long dry spell, the longest since 1957-1964! But I firmly believe history repeats itself. Whether it will repeat itself in time to save the current generation of pilots remains to be seen. JMHO
Oldfreightdawg is offline  
Old 10-23-2007, 12:42 PM
  #6  
Gets Weekends Off
 
FIT59's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Jul 2006
Position: A300 Capt.
Posts: 296
Default

It will be nice if/when all of the airlines can get contracts that bring pay back to the levels they once were.

Last edited by FIT59; 10-23-2007 at 07:22 PM.
FIT59 is offline  
Old 10-23-2007, 12:42 PM
  #7  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Jul 2007
Posts: 193
Default

Just one of AIRCONs many tricks is to endorse media feeds to perpetuate the illusion of pilot shortages (post deregulation). Doing so has created the surplus of pilots management has enjoyed for decades. Few pilots figure this out until they have spent all their money on flight training and spent 10 years or more in the industry. Some will never figure it out.

-------------------------------------

"They will never know what hit them." http://www.aircon.org/what_is_aircon/index.htm
seaav8tor is offline  
Old 10-23-2007, 02:49 PM
  #8  
Gets Weekends Off
Thread Starter
 
Oldfreightdawg's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Sep 2006
Position: B-737
Posts: 392
Default

Oh yeah, I forgot about the conspiracy. Never-mind.
Oldfreightdawg is offline  
Old 10-23-2007, 02:56 PM
  #9  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Pilotpip's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Jun 2005
Position: Retired
Posts: 2,934
Default

Originally Posted by NYCPilot View Post
Shortage is really only at the regional level, not so much at at the majors.
Back then you were flying a Martin 404 on regional routes when you first got hired, so in a way you were a regional pilot.
Pilotpip is offline  
Old 10-23-2007, 03:40 PM
  #10  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Jan 2007
Posts: 143
Default

Originally Posted by Oldfreightdawg View Post

BTW: $35000 adjusted for 2007 $$$ is $235,000
That is exactly the problem. I don't believe there is pilot shortage even at the regional level, just a shortage of pilots willing to work for low pay with no guarantee even to make it to the majors.
Airborne is offline  
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Sr. Barco
Regional
89
09-15-2013 07:22 PM
Herc130AV8R
Military
25
03-22-2008 05:22 PM
jelloy683
Major
9
08-03-2007 01:05 PM
jelloy683
Regional
3
08-02-2007 04:03 PM
Sr. Barco
Major
34
07-31-2007 01:01 PM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Thread Tools
Search this Thread
Your Privacy Choices