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Old 06-08-2006, 05:20 PM
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Yes you are wrong.
From an engineering perspective, constantly jockying the speed of turbo-machinery does wear it out faster. Regardless of who or what is doing the jockying.
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Old 06-08-2006, 06:44 PM
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Default SWA autothrottles / HUD

Every Southwest airplane has a HUD on the captain's side. We are certified to CAT IIIa mins, hand flown only. The autopilot must be disconnected prior to G/S intercept.

No, we don't have autothrottles. I can't tell you why we don't but I wish we did. Long hauls over the rockies get old sometimes. You know, the alternating clacker and stick shaker gets loud and makes it hard for the F/A's to serve coffee. LOL

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Old 06-08-2006, 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Sr. Barco
Every Southwest airplane has a HUD on the captain's side. We are certified to CAT IIIa mins, hand flown only. The autopilot must be disconnected prior to G/S intercept.

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So SWA planes have no autoland ability?
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Old 06-08-2006, 11:08 PM
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Originally Posted by MikeB525
So SWA planes have no autoland ability?
That's correct. No autoland. That really is expensive to keep certified. We maintain both hand flown Cat IIIa and autoland here at Alaska because the boys upstairs feel they want the redundancy of either system (or so I'm told).

The HUD make a hand flown CAT III pretty easy. It is really amazing to nail the ILS to 50' all by hand. First time you do it is impressive.
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Old 06-09-2006, 01:44 AM
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RTO is equivalent to max manual braking..."max" autobrake is max "deceleration schedule"
 
Old 06-11-2006, 05:04 PM
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HGS on SWA planes, and I though they were a no frills airline

They just moved up a couple notches in my book!
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Old 06-12-2006, 08:30 AM
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HGS on SWA planes...just moved up a couple notches in my book!
Maybe trickin' out the aircraft floats your boat, but SWA, at least in this case, failed to insure the judgment and compliance square was filled. Little high, little hot, little slow on the brakes, little late into reverse, little tailwind, little snow, little runway, little lapse between the ears = dead kid. Forget the 50' DH, for all I care they can train Joe Allthumbs to handfly a Cat III "C" ILS to Chuck Hoover or Bob Yeager standards, but the guy in command must be able to think. In this instance...
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Originally Posted by 2dotslow
Maybe trickin' out the aircraft floats your boat, but SWA, at least in this case, failed to insure the judgment and compliance square was filled. Little high, little hot, little slow on the brakes, little late into reverse, little tailwind, little snow, little runway, little lapse between the ears = dead kid. Forget the 50' DH, for all I care they can train Joe Allthumbs to handfly a Cat III "C" ILS to Chuck Hoover or Bob Yeager standards, but the guy in command must be able to think. In this instance...
EVERYONE is prone to momentary lapses in judgement and not reacting fast enough to a problematic situation. Even you 2 dots! The question is can we learn from our mistakes, and hopefully from those of others.

My post was in regards to the equipment. Having had the opportunity to use an HGS device I have been convinced of its capabilities. I believe it is the next step in precision flying and situational awareness.
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Old 06-12-2006, 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Ziggy
EVERYONE is prone to momentary lapses in judgement and not reacting fast enough to a problematic situation. Even you 2 dots! The question is can we learn from our mistakes, and hopefully from those of others.

My post was in regards to the equipment. Having had the opportunity to use an HGS device I have been convinced of its capabilities. I believe it is the next step in precision flying and situational awareness.
Re: "EVERYONE"...momentary...judgement, etc...too true, including me. But, I haven't killed anyone as a result of my lapses...or carelessness, lack of ability, proficiency, reaction time, or however one wishes to define stupidity. I'll bet even you saw the Boeing performance charts assuming the conditions at Midway that night. Re: the equipment, it's only as good as the person using it. To wit, I stipulated that if HGS floated...well, you know. More power to ya.
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Old 06-12-2006, 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by 2dotslow
Maybe trickin' out the aircraft floats your boat, but SWA, at least in this case, failed to insure the judgment and compliance square was filled. Little high, little hot, little slow on the brakes, little late into reverse, little tailwind, little snow, little runway, little lapse between the ears = dead kid. Forget the 50' DH, for all I care they can train Joe Allthumbs to handfly a Cat III "C" ILS to Chuck Hoover or Bob Yeager standards, but the guy in command must be able to think. In this instance...
Well, on the following link; http://www.ntsb.gov/Recs/letters/2006/A06_16.pdf you will find that the crew was not a "Little high, little hot, little slow on the brakes". The NTSB found in their initial findings that the crew had followed all company procedures (which are FAA approved) except for using autobrakes and being late in applying reverse thrust.

We don't know yet why the thrust reversers weren't applied immediately upon touchdown, but the crew made a legal approach and were stable and on speed at the time of touch down.

I don't even work for SWA, but leave the crucifiction of flight crews to the news organizations since they don't have any integrity anyway. Once again 2dot, your opinions are just that, stick to the facts.
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