Spirit and ERAU contract deal
03-31-2008, 07:45 AM
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Just a little update in this thread, the 8 Riddle guys that were selected by spirit are already in the line. No problems during the ground training stage, it was interesting to know that guys with other backgrounds failed orals and stuff like that. So far seems that they didnt encounter any bad attitudes towards them.
Hope everything continue like this and that they succeed in their flight training part.
Go eagles
Hope everything continue like this and that they succeed in their flight training part.
Go eagles
03-31-2008, 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by FNG1
Just a little update in this thread, the 8 Riddle guys that were selected by spirit are already in the line. No problems during the ground training stage, it was interesting to know that guys with other backgrounds failed orals and stuff like that. So far seems that they didnt encounter any bad attitudes towards them.
Hope everything continue like this and that they succeed in their flight training part.
Go eagles
Hope everything continue like this and that they succeed in their flight training part.
Go eagles
03-31-2008, 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Ottopilot
If Spirit needs pilots they should look to the Aloha pilots. Those guys deserve better than what they got.
According to Taylorjets on another thread, the "Riddlers" are having problems with IOE.
03-31-2008, 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by alvrb211
The European ATPL and ab-initio programs like those at Easyjet are very different to the FAA ATP program. Just have a look at the 14 JAR ATPL theory books and training sylabus and you'll get an idea of how demanding it is.
Ab-initio guys in Europe have to jump through many hoops to complete their training to ATPL level. When training is completed in a seminole, it's followed by 42 hours of CRM training, a type ride and then "5 months of IOE" with a check airman. You would expect proficiency by then wouldn't you?
At least the pilots in Europe have put in some real study, passed VERY demading exams, and completed 5 months of IOE before being signed off!! Maybe it's time to establish a program similar to that of the EU.
I'm an ERAU guy flying a medium jet for a US major. I'm aware of how the ab-initio system works but I think it will remain a lot more stringent in Europe where it's well established.
Ab-initio guys in Europe have to jump through many hoops to complete their training to ATPL level. When training is completed in a seminole, it's followed by 42 hours of CRM training, a type ride and then "5 months of IOE" with a check airman. You would expect proficiency by then wouldn't you?
At least the pilots in Europe have put in some real study, passed VERY demading exams, and completed 5 months of IOE before being signed off!! Maybe it's time to establish a program similar to that of the EU.
I'm an ERAU guy flying a medium jet for a US major. I'm aware of how the ab-initio system works but I think it will remain a lot more stringent in Europe where it's well established.
I do use "Heavy" before my flight number and despite the fact that I had a ton of fun flying instruction, charter, cargo, bush flying, canyon trips and RJ's, I sure wish I would have had the opportunity that these guys are given. If you think that you would not have jumped on an opportunity like theirs, you might be fooling yourself...
Good luck guys, and keep us posted!
03-31-2008, 01:53 PM
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If you really want answers on how they are doing; talk to them yourselves. Sure the landings arent going to be perfect, but were yours during the first 25 hours? I'd be hard pressed to think they were unless you did a bus-bus transition. The sight picture is totally different.
Everyone in the training the department is very optimistic and pleasantly surprised with the "Riddle kids". I can almost bet that they will fly circles around senior line pilots when using the box; thats not an insult to anyone just the type of generation that we live in.
Regardless. I have heard, and know first hand - from speaking with them - that everyone is doing well. No oral / ride / OE failures at all.
Everyone in the training the department is very optimistic and pleasantly surprised with the "Riddle kids". I can almost bet that they will fly circles around senior line pilots when using the box; thats not an insult to anyone just the type of generation that we live in.
Regardless. I have heard, and know first hand - from speaking with them - that everyone is doing well. No oral / ride / OE failures at all.
03-31-2008, 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Breckster
OE has been another story from what I heard and that is coming from a couple of check-airmen, but what do they know
I guess when the auto pilot turns off.......
Hopefully these guys will never have to go fly something other then the bus: I can't imagine it would be pretty in a DC9
Good luck and welcome aboard kids
I guess when the auto pilot turns off.......
Hopefully these guys will never have to go fly something other then the bus: I can't imagine it would be pretty in a DC9
Good luck and welcome aboard kids
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