Originally Posted by chignutsak (Post 275423)

How 'bout some scope relief? You do that, and I'll give you your ginormous raise and continue the only pension left in the industry.

Originally Posted by reddog25 (Post 275536)

Maybe APA meant that in the event of a merger, all flying will be done by APA pilots. I'm not an American pilot, but that would be a bigger threat to their career than RJs..........

Originally Posted by tone (Post 275576)

The Eagle has landed.:(

Originally Posted by B757200ER (Post 275592)

It could be "The Eagle has Flown", shortly.

Originally Posted by chignutsak (Post 275423)

........and continue the only pension left in the industry.

Originally Posted by greedyairlineexec (Post 275484)

I think you guys are forgetting that the proposal says all AA flying to be done by AA pilots. it does not say merging list with eagle. the eagle guys could be offered jobs at year 1 pay if AA wanted too, but it does not have to. AE can still be sold to an operator that will provide maintenance, flight attendants, dispatch, crew services, ground handling ...etc... but the pilots flying will be AA pilots. they don't have to be former AE pilots. there are a lot of qualified rj drivers out there that could be given a short course and would be happy to go fly and rj for AA. The cost of short course training would be offset by using computer home schooling for the initial and systems , short course in the sim, no pay during training and everyone at year 1 seniority pay.

While I see nothing wrong with the AA proposal as far as for protecting the profession is concerned ,and I think is a step in the right direction, it might mean unemployment for a lot of AE pilots, and / or a total loss of seniority, which is a very sad thing indeed.[/QUOTE]

As long as you get your's correct.
Your analysis of the computer based training and short course, I dont think so. No anyone who has done that? Besides, what says AMR does not file bankruptcy, what does APA do then? Remember, all AMR has to do to spin off AE is to transfer ownership to the current stockholders of AMR stock and AA in in bankruptcy all by itself, without AE.

But lets not forget who gave us all B-Scale, but it appears history is short with pilots these days and those who purport to be pilots.

Originally Posted by Deez340 (Post 275589)

That's the beauty of this. The company would never have to consider scope in a marketing decision ever again as all flights would be manned by AA seniority list pilots. They (AMR) may not, however, want to give up their whipsaw power and the cheap labor in order to do it. This is what should have been demanded in the first place when the RJ came on the scene. The problem is, how do we get the toothpaste back in the tube. This plan is certainly better for our careers in the long run but it will step on some toes in the interim. And yes i firmly believed this when I was flying an RJ.

Originally Posted by texaspilot76 (Post 287913)

I was just reading the APA negotiations website. It states that American pilot pay is less than some airlines, one being Continental. I looked at the pay scales on APC and it seems that American pay is better than Continental. Are the pay scales on APC for Continental accurate? Also, how are the negotiations going? Any ground yet?

Originally Posted by HercDriver130 (Post 275224)

Could you imagine the #1 guy at Eagle with say 15 years or more seniority being stapled on the bottom at AA..... not likely.