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F35Captain 12-10-2007 05:34 PM


Originally Posted by KiloAlpha (Post 276226)
I was once told to drink cheap beer while on the road.. the cost savings over a career could be huge.. if you drink that is ;)



True, unless you are in PHL. In which case they probably deserve it. I recently heard a story that after a manager yelled at a group of rampers for not doing their job, they decided to torch his car in the employee lot.. great group of guys they have in Philly; the city of brotherly love (extra emphasis on brothA-ly)

Everyone knows phl is bad even management but remember they are the one who hire them. That's a reflection of bad management in phl but they are starting to change.

AA772ER 12-10-2007 05:47 PM


Originally Posted by FlyerJosh (Post 276215)
Some of the things that I've picked up along the way from people that I admire:

Take the time to learn the names of the people that affect your ability to succeed and say hello to them by name when you see them. (IE Rampers, agents, etc). By doing so, you're most likely to get assistance before other folks who haven't done so.

Do the best that you can at your own job and encourage others to do the same.

Don't get bent out of shape about the things you can't control (like staffing, lost bags, full gates).

Don't take out your frustration on the ramp staff- odds are they are 3 people short, working in ****ty conditions for marginal pay. Yelling at them sure isn't going to get things done any faster.

Life is too short to spend it screaming at operations over the radio.

Take a moment each workday to smile at a customer and thank them for flying.

Give cockpit tours. When you do, take a photo with your own camera and offer to email it to your passengers.

Always carry an updated resume and business card. You never know when something better might come along.

If it stops being fun, figure out why. If you can't, it's time to consider something new.

Invest in yourself and your family before all else.

Establish a good relationship with the CP and schedulers whenever possible. Doing so can make life easier down the road.

Be flexible.

There's a whole bunch more, but I don't want to bore you! :)

FlyerJosh,

If you wouldnt mind posting the rest of the list that you have? The ones that you posted so far are really good and o so true! :)

ewrbasedpilot 12-11-2007 04:57 AM

I had one guy tell me when I was an FO on the 727 to close my eyes. He asked my what I saw and I said "nothing". He said, "that's what's yours in this cockpit", and we all laughed. What a great sense of humor...........and something that helps to keep the cockpit a fun place to be. When it's not fun, it's time to find something else to do. A few of the things I do to make the job more enjoyable:

1. I always recognize my entire crew by name on my welcome aboard announcement and tell the pax how honored I am to have such a fine crew flying with me today. The FO's and FA's appreciate being more than a face and it gives them a sense of pride.

2. Unless it's been a while since I've flown, I'll always offer the FO his choice of legs (WX withstanding), and let him make the PA's and fly the legs if he has friends or family aboard. I can choose any leg I want, but I always found it the mark of the best CA's I flew with who didn't hog the good legs. 16 EWR legs in a row as an FO was my record.........NOT very fun or interesting to say the least. If their's an odd number of legs, I'll offer it to the FO or we can "spin" the heading knob to see who gets it: even I fly, odd he flies. Works great.

3. I always tell the FA's they're welcome to come up and chat, take a powernap, or see what we do. Newhires are thrilled to come up and see what we do, and love the view we have.

4. On a longer pairing, I'll try to take everyone out for lunch or dinner at least once. I realize most FA's and FO's aren't making much money, and it does wonders for the backend crew to know their CA "cares". I also try to buy Starbucks for everyone during the trip.

But overall, I think just having a good time with everyone makes this job one of the best. Happy Holidays everyone!!

CloudPilot57 12-11-2007 05:54 AM

Good post erwbased.. all good stuff, hope my captian does all that when my time comes!

Jetjok 12-11-2007 12:25 PM

Philly stinks, pure and simple. Doesn't matter what airline you're working for. Must be something in the water or the air, or maybe the guys who work there are like all airline management folks.... they're all related. Anyway that's one airport that I don't miss going into or out of.

My cruise brief in the Mad Dog, was: no secret sleeping and no secret typing. Period.

Pilotpip 12-11-2007 12:45 PM

EWR, I hope I get to fly with more captains like you.

I've been doing this for a few months now, which isn't very long. However in that time I've seen good and bad. Being new, I'm still trying to figure out the most efficient way to do some things and still be within the SOP. I ask a lot of questions. I really like it when a captain gives advice.

I'm also not huge on captains that don't talk. The ones that turn the intercom off and grab the paper right at 10,000ft on every leg. On long legs this can make for what seems like hours. The only two things I won't talk about up front are religion and politics. It only takes once to realize it's not a good idea.

ewrbasedpilot 12-11-2007 01:26 PM


Originally Posted by Pilotpip (Post 277265)
EWR, I hope I get to fly with more captains like you.

I've been doing this for a few months now, which isn't very long. However in that time I've seen good and bad. Being new, I'm still trying to figure out the most efficient way to do some things and still be within the SOP. I ask a lot of questions. I really like it when a captain gives advice.

I'm also not huge on captains that don't talk. The ones that turn the intercom off and grab the paper right at 10,000ft on every leg. On long legs this can make for what seems like hours. The only two things I won't talk about up front are religion and politics. It only takes once to realize it's not a good idea.

Thanks for the nice words. I usually start my briefings off with something like, "we come into this cockpit as friends and we leave as friends and if I say or do anything that offends you, please let me know as I don't mean to do that ". I've found this really opens the door to conversation without fear of getting chewed out. My cockpit is run in a very professional, yet laid back manner. Putting a new FO at ease is always my first priority and by the end of the trip, most have gained a bit of knowledge and made a friend in the process. Being a captain requires having to bite your tongue every now and then and letting an FO make mistakes to learn, but their is always the right way and wrong way to do things. I've had a few FO's have the power pulled without checking to see that the APU is up running and on line. It gets their attention and they apologize a lot, but it's something they'll do once and learn what the results are...........:p Reloading the box and explaining to the FA's what you did is always a bit humbling, but EVERYONE does it once. But their are CA's that'll jump all over you for doing stuff like that and in the end, it only breaks good CRM down and is not condusive to a nice cockpit. Learn from the guys you fly with and take the good stuff with you to the left seat. After all, having fun is what this is all about.

newKnow 12-11-2007 02:01 PM

I echo EWR's thoughts.

Keeping the lines of communication open is the key to safety. That includes the flight attendants, gate agents, rampers, ect. If you don't, you can quickly find yourself in an aircraft that was designed to be flown by two people, actually being flown by one.

Another important point is to let the FO's fly. There is nothing worse than a captain who points out every little mistake or deviation. Those are the ones who have to keep the airplane flying in their "little box of comfort." To me that is just a sign that they are not capable of flying outside of it. When I flew with those guys from the right seat I was very worried about what they would do if things really hit the fan.

All in all, you will figure out what works from experience. Have fun! :D

flyguyniner11 12-11-2007 03:57 PM


Originally Posted by ewrbasedpilot (Post 277006)
I had one guy tell me when I was an FO on the 727 to close my eyes. He asked my what I saw and I said "nothing". He said, "that's what's yours in this cockpit", and we all laughed. What a great sense of humor...........and something that helps to keep the cockpit a fun place to be. When it's not fun, it's time to find something else to do. A few of the things I do to make the job more enjoyable:

1. I always recognize my entire crew by name on my welcome aboard announcement and tell the pax how honored I am to have such a fine crew flying with me today. The FO's and FA's appreciate being more than a face and it gives them a sense of pride.

2. Unless it's been a while since I've flown, I'll always offer the FO his choice of legs (WX withstanding), and let him make the PA's and fly the legs if he has friends or family aboard. I can choose any leg I want, but I always found it the mark of the best CA's I flew with who didn't hog the good legs. 16 EWR legs in a row as an FO was my record.........NOT very fun or interesting to say the least. If their's an odd number of legs, I'll offer it to the FO or we can "spin" the heading knob to see who gets it: even I fly, odd he flies. Works great.

3. I always tell the FA's they're welcome to come up and chat, take a powernap, or see what we do. Newhires are thrilled to come up and see what we do, and love the view we have.

4. On a longer pairing, I'll try to take everyone out for lunch or dinner at least once. I realize most FA's and FO's aren't making much money, and it does wonders for the backend crew to know their CA "cares". I also try to buy Starbucks for everyone during the trip.

But overall, I think just having a good time with everyone makes this job one of the best. Happy Holidays everyone!!

great post I agree with a lot of what you said. I hope I can do some of the things you have mentioned when I upgrade in a few months. I especially liked the spinning the heading bug on an odd leg

ewrbasedpilot 12-11-2007 05:43 PM


Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 277314)
.........Another important point is to let the FO's fly. There is nothing worse than a captain who points out every little mistake or deviation. .........

EXCELLENT point. I hated flying with CA's who briefed they "flew by the book" (ie., "standard"), yet the book they flew from must have been written by themselves. On landing rollout, there's nothing more aggravating than a CA grabbing the controls seconds after touchdown and yelling "I have the aircraft" and totally botching a nice landing by slamming on the brakes and cowboying the aircraft to a stop or quick turnoff. It's hard to learn an airplane when you can't get the feel of it. I also encourage the copilots to make decisions on which runway they'd like to land on, which approach they'd like to fly, or if they'd like any shortcuts enroute. Making them feel like an IMPORTANT part of the crew goes a long way to having a great trip. All the comments I'm seeing here are helping me to add to the things that I'll incorporate on future flights.


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