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Originally Posted by full reverse (Post 312015)

I wouldn't over think why you didn't pass one personality test, and you did on the next.

The assessments are not "graded" per se, they are scored, and unlike the university you may have gone to, they aren't scored on a curve. The airline that is having the test administered has set a numerical box, with both an upper and a lower limit. Score inside the box, welcome to the interview, score outside the box, thanks... but you're not the right fit. Hence, you could have a majority of people not getting invited for an interview.

You should be happy they didn't hire you, since if you truthfully answered the questions the organization wouldn't have been a good fit for you, and there was a company whose profile fit your personality.

I'm not a psychologists, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night. My educational background is engineering. After taken a lot of these tests for various airlines and military jobs, I have serious doubts about their validity. My honest impression is that a lot of people that would be good fits for their company are being excluded.

Since these "assessments" happen before a conditional hire offer is extended, I wonder if they are illegal according to the persons with disabilities act?

-Fatty

I'm not defending the assessment, I honestly don't understand them, I was just clearing up the bell curve statement.

I'm curious, what disability would qualify for you to sue under the ADA act? A lawyer whose degree is from Costco could rip that argument apart. Stop obsessing about it... I'm starting to think the assessment does work.

No company is under any obligation to hire anybody, they simply can't discriminate when it comes to color, race, sex, age etc. Fact is, every pilot job discriminates against the disabled. After all, a requirement for employment is the ability to hold a first class medical, I believe it's usually on the very first application you submit to every airline.

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Originally Posted by dba74 (Post 312072)

Does Delta do the same Hogan tests as United and if so do they set their upper and lower scores differently? I passed all 3 of UAL's FWIW and I'm wondering if that would more/ less ensure passing Delta's

DBA74 - During Day 1 of the Delta interview, you take a 240 question personality test - I don't know the name of it. It's fairly straight-forward and unintrusive. You have 5 options to choose from: I Strongly Agree, I Agree, No Answer, I Disagree and I Strongly Disagree.

If you are selected to continue on to Day 2, you take the MMPI (Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory) which is close to 600 questions, and nothing short of bizarre. It asks a lot of typical personality test questions, but it also has a lot of off-the-wall questions too. The only options you are given are True or False.

United starts their screening process with the Hogan Assessment that you take online. I think it was about 250 questions. I found it to be very similar to the MMPI without the really bizarro questions. Again, the only options you have are True or False.

I don't think passing one is any indicator of whether or not you'd pass the other. I know people who have failed Delta's and passed United's. I know people who have failed United's and passed Delta's. And I know people who have passed both, and others who have failed both. I have absolutely no idea what the rhyme or reason is behind it.

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Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy (Post 312145)

Since these "assessments" happen before a conditional hire offer is extended, I wonder if they are illegal according to the persons with disabilities act?

full reverse - I'm curious if you've taken the Hogan Assessment? I don't know if the legalities would fall under the ADA or some other EEOC type law, but I have to admit - I wondered the same thing as Fatty. I don't remember every question on there, but some were truly bordering on being intrusive, and I remember thinking, "I'd be surprised if this is totally legal."

Just my 2 cents. :)

Thanks for the info E1out

Biggest question I have is why don't they have to give you the results? Normally when one takes a test, the examiner is required to provide you with the results.

Honestly, I'm not upset with the results tho. Any company that would let some test determine whether or not you would "fit" is asinie. And who sets the grading standards? Other pilots that you would be expected to get along with or the management types that seem to have a hostile relationship with the pilots at the company? Houston we have a problem...

GNH

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Originally Posted by full reverse (Post 312157)

Stop obsessing about it... I'm starting to think the assessment does work.

Hahah ... I'm not obsessed about it. I just think they are excluding more good people than bad. And in a period when airlines are increasingly finding it difficult to recruit qualified people, I think it is a bit ridiculous -- in my humble opinion.

-Fatty

You're just in denial...hence the reason you didn't pass the test:D

I'm still waiting for anybody to explain what disability, the MMPI or Hogan assessment discriminates against?

The only legal context that you could bring up is if United, or Delta knew the exact answers to the questions... they don't, the test spits out a numerical score, they have no clue as to what you answered on the assessments. Plus, there are no questions that ask about lifestyle, sexual preference, race, etc. There are questions that are bizarre, but hardly violates any EEOC or ADA rules.

KC10- I'm glad you saw the humor in it. I don't think the major airlines are having trouble filling classes, they still have to ferret through more resumes than they know what to do with. Now the regionals, they are losing the ability to be choosy.

That's it then - Fatty can go to the regionals!!!