The Great SWA Lie about Pay Rates
02-01-2008, 09:22 PM
#11
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Originally Posted by iahflyr
How exactly does Southwest define a "trip"?
IIRC, it had something to do with the flight time from DAL-HOU, which is like :55. One trip (or :55 minutes of flying) payed $77.50. So converted to hours, one hour pays $88.
If this is correct (or something very similar), then the APC rates are completely correct. The problem with your analysis is you are comparing BLOCK hours flown to pay per trip. You are essentially including trip/duty rigs and such into hourly pay. If we took some senior legacy international pilot, or some super senior guy on reserve who bids not to fly, using your method, I am sure they would be making $400 - $500 an hour. But that is not how the system works.
IIRC, it had something to do with the flight time from DAL-HOU, which is like :55. One trip (or :55 minutes of flying) payed $77.50. So converted to hours, one hour pays $88.
If this is correct (or something very similar), then the APC rates are completely correct. The problem with your analysis is you are comparing BLOCK hours flown to pay per trip. You are essentially including trip/duty rigs and such into hourly pay. If we took some senior legacy international pilot, or some super senior guy on reserve who bids not to fly, using your method, I am sure they would be making $400 - $500 an hour. But that is not how the system works.
02-02-2008, 05:31 AM
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The rules are different depending on the carrier. In a nutshell, you bid reserve because you live in base and get paid the minimum guarantee whether you fly or not. I have a good friend that lives in Toledo (DTW based) and often bids to reserve just to have a "month off." Pre 9/11, reserves didn't get used a whole lot at NWA. Now the reserves tend to get used a lot because they are trying to run the airline without enough pilots, so the "benefit" to bidding reserve isn't really there anymore.
02-02-2008, 06:54 AM
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Originally Posted by nwaf16dude
The rules are different depending on the carrier. In a nutshell, you bid reserve because you live in base and get paid the minimum guarantee whether you fly or not. I have a good friend that lives in Toledo (DTW based) and often bids to reserve just to have a "month off." Pre 9/11, reserves didn't get used a whole lot at NWA. Now the reserves tend to get used a lot because they are trying to run the airline without enough pilots, so the "benefit" to bidding reserve isn't really there anymore.
What he said and also because if you don't fly, your 30/7 isn't affected and now you can wh0re yourself out to the company with Extra fly or better yet "time and a half" flying (JA) .
02-02-2008, 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Metal121
As a sidenote, the average "time away from base" over the last 6 months was 9.31 days per month.
The average number of LEGS PER DAY flown was 2.4 over the 6 months.
The average number of LEGS PER DAY flown was 2.4 over the 6 months.
Average block hours of 75/month (75.075 to be EXACT). average TAFB of 9.31, and average legs/day of 2.4
75.075/9.31 = 8.06 hours per day
8.06/2.4 = 3.36 average block length
If I did the #'s right, 'Metal121' has an average flight of 3.36 hours. That seems like an awfully long flight average @ WN.
How can you average over 8 block hours per day when the legal max is 8 in a duty period? You'd have to average more than 1 duty period per 24 hours. It's possible . . .
I guess I didn't expect over 1000 NM legs and over 8 hours block per day to be attainable. With that being said, it's VERY efficient. I don't know any other airline that could schedule a pilot so efficiently on their days @ work.
02-02-2008, 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by LuvJockey
Something is off - don't know if Metal is counting deadheads/rigged pay/junior available pay or not, but there's some questionable math there.
02-03-2008, 05:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Rocco
And boast about how much they make........or think they make.....
just look at my shiny new watch.
does all kinds of math things, supposed to be some way to do some trig things to figure out the crosswind component, if i ever figure it out, might even be able to tell me what 15% of a 40$ dinner is
and best of all, now I can figure out when the capt and I meet up in boston when he takes a train traveling at an average speed of 45 mph from manchester and I take one traveling at an average speed of 55 mph from new york
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