That might be the funniest thing I have ever read on these boards!!!

Bear,

I know I have posted this before, but our 757's basically do what your 767's do. Asia, Europe, & Hawaii. I just flew with a newhire and she said she could hold it. So, 10 -13 years to hold the 330? Yes? But as I have pointed out before, Widebody international stuff at NWA is king. The bottom 330 Reserve FO could be a DC-9 Capt. Blockholder. Until last summer the bottom 320 Captains could not hold the right seat of the -400. So, as I pointed out before, it's a different airline.

As far as us being too passive, I agree. We should have shut the place down. But make no mistake, those of us on the bottom of this senority list are ready to take back what is ours. We look forward to the pilots who voted "yes" getting the hell out with their pensions so we can do just that. And for the moment, age 65 does not affect us as it does you because our "old guys" have more of an incentive to retire on time. So, with those retirements and the addition of 787's in the future, a Delta merger is not necessarily the best thng for NWA pilots. I think we would do just fine on our own.

11-13 years at NWA buys me 320 Capt or 747-400 FO. What does 11-13 years get a pilot at Delta?

How about 737-800 Captain or 777 FO

I was hired in late 99 and I'm about 100 numbers short of holding a schedule on the 757...could easily hold it on reserve. I'm pretty sure I could hold DC 9 Captain before 330 FO, at least until the 9's go away.

Then you see what I mean. You would be a MD88 Captain at DAL.

The difference between NWA and DAL is that the top 2,000 pilots at Delta left early. It is one heck of a difference.

Also, there is the whole issue of the way NWA has run its show. Not that Delta was spotless, but we did not break a union, throw our new hires under the bus, or tell our flight attendants to go dumpster dining to live off their pay.

Again, no disrespect to NWA pilots who I think are some of the best for taking all that they have and remaining safe.

It is NWA that I do not want to be a part of. I'm a very happy Delta pilot and can't say I've ever heard a NWA pilot say the same. Thorw in the $500,000 to $1,000,000 (or more) in career earnings that this will cost and it just is not worth it.

Sounds fairly close to a 320 Capt. or -400 FO to me. :rolleyes:

bucking bar: Not to disrespect you, but you are the typical DAL pilot-stuck on yourself. I am a Comair pilot that went on strike and I saw the DAL guys support us, until they got their deal that was all about themselves. Then all we heard from DAL pilots was, you guys are making enough go back to work. We were looking into being part of your list and you guys didn't want anything to do with us; but soon as the cuts came, you guys come to us to join your list, so you don't end up out on the street. The way I see it is a DAL pilot would step on someone elses fingers to get ahead. I have been a Delta employee for too long and can't wait to leave. This is not sour grapes because I am not a DAL newhire or anything like that. It is just that I can't stand the way that the DAL guys think they are Gods Gift to Flying and whats the deal with wind checks, on the deck, and how long is the final...

Bar,

You are right. We are still to realize the retirements that are due to us so the top guys could have their pensions. How many DAL pilots will retire at 60 in the next few years? Even with Age 65, NWA will still have quite a few.

If you have been at DAL for less than a year, you are still a new hire. I'm sure if you talk to some NWA new hires they are "very happy NWA pilots." Trust me, I just flew with a few, and I am still amazed at thier great attitudes.

As far as one of our 1999 hires being able to hold -88 Capt. at DAL, I'm sure he will tell you that up until Age 65 passed he was within 20-30 spots from DC-9 Capt.

I think all I'm saying is that everyone should just relax and see what happens. I won't badmouth your pilot group if you don't badmouth mine. :)

NWA shrinking? Where do you get your info? Yes, there are parking some DC-9s...big deal. They are increasing the utilization on the remaining. They have around 60 options on the 787s in the coming years. With the economy growing in Asia, they are planning to add more flights into the far-east---both from bases in Asia as well as the US. Currently they are short on wide-bodies and thinking about leasing some more A-330s to cover some flying till the 787s start arriving.

Now about wide-body equipment. The junior-most equipment at NWA is the 747-200 FE seat---which by the way is much wider than your 767s. And it pays more than the 757 FO rates as well. According to the latest bid, there are less than 20 people between a new hire 747-FE to holding 747-200 FO position in ANC. With DC-9s going away and 787s/330s coming in, wide-body seats will be more attainable to a new-hire in the near future.

Well, I agree with you on the pay-rates. It can use some serious improvement. However, NWA has some bennies Delta does not have. (Like 150% pay for flight pay over 80 hrs in a month).

Delta also come with the youngest pilot group in the country with very few upcoming retirements. NWA has the senior-most pilot group in the country with more than half retiring in 10-15 years. Age 65 will affect DAL more than NWA. Without the pensions, most DAL pilots are going to stay till 65. More than 75% of NWA pilots are quitting at 60 because they still have pensions.

So don't give me that crap about DAL being all high and mighty. Most of the NWA pilots will be really upset if they have to merge with DAL.

Keep saying that to yourself and your peers at Delta. The majority of NWA pilots do not want to touch DAL with a ten-foot pole.