What's being done about the airline exec's?
#12
So do you not think that work groups who work for considerably less money then their peers at other airlines don't have an impact on the industry? Come on now that's just silly talk and I'm not just talking about pilot pay either.
Second how can LCC pilots do anything while their payrates go up (slowly), benefits and work rules improve, and the management doesn't steal from the company?
Since we are pilots let me mention this. 3rd yr CA pay at jetblue was about the same as 3rd yr FO pay at NWA, how does this not have a negative impact on the industry
I now will step down from my soapbox.....
We are all in this fight together, us verse the execs - and we are losing!!!. Lets stick together and support pilots who are losing pay/benefits and help LCC pilots to fight for more $$$. Direct the anger at the execs not at your bros/sisters.
Last edited by Fly4Beer; 01-21-2006 at 05:05 AM.
#13
Exec Pay
The executives get paid more for shrinking the bottom line and creating a profitable company in the face of great adversity. Why get all upset about a tiny handful of suits? They are only doing what the shareholders want from them. Every industry has a small army of suits and most get paid well. Pilots are a dime a dozen. They are so plentiful in fact that every HR department has thousands of identical resumes on file. There are only so many fortune magazine cover boys to go around. Would you really like to trade places with them? They have a much smaller chance of making it to the big time than we do. Pilots seem to have an unbalanced view of themselves. For some reason they feel that they have a greater value and intellect when in fact they just drive the bus and that is all. I can't recall a baggage handler getting upset about executive pay.
SKyHigh
SKyHigh
#14
Originally Posted by SkyHigh
I can't recall a baggage handler getting upset about executive pay. SKyHigh
They just don't have a forum like this one to post their complaints .... or at least one that I am aware of.
#15
Agreed
Originally Posted by SkyHigh
The executives get paid more for shrinking the bottom line and creating a profitable company in the face of great adversity. Why get all upset about a tiny handful of suits? They are only doing what the shareholders want from them. Every industry has a small army of suits and most get paid well. Pilots are a dime a dozen. They are so plentiful in fact that every HR department has thousands of identical resumes on file. There are only so many fortune magazine cover boys to go around. Would you really like to trade places with them? They have a much smaller chance of making it to the big time than we do. Pilots seem to have an unbalanced view of themselves. For some reason they feel that they have a greater value and intellect when in fact they just drive the bus and that is all. I can't recall a baggage handler getting upset about executive pay.
SKyHigh
SKyHigh
#16
Ok
Alright, so now we have a confirmed event of discontent among a few baggage handlers. I still don't think that most concern themselves about such things. The ones who were employed at Alaska are more concerned with trying to find another job right now. My point is that executives have a completely different job than pilots. They put in an unlimited number of hours and decades to become one of the lucky few to reach that level of compensation. Executives are promoted based upon performance and not on successfully outliving their predecessor's. They have a thinking mans job and the outcome of their efforts can lead a company to ruin or success. Stockholders will pay for business talent. They will not pay much for another pilot. After all they can only fly one plane at a time. No matter how much we would like to think otherwise flying is a vocation, and not a discipline. Flying is a skill, and not an art.
SkyHigh
SkyHigh
#17
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Joined APC: Jan 2006
Posts: 22
My first post in the Majors!!!
Flying not an art?
I'm sorry, stick and rudder is skill, but decision making is art (call it experience, but definately not a skill). One day the autopilot will click off unexpectedly and a wake-up call will be heard by those who think that pilots are a dime-a-dozen.
Both are required to be successful.
Flying not an art?
I'm sorry, stick and rudder is skill, but decision making is art (call it experience, but definately not a skill). One day the autopilot will click off unexpectedly and a wake-up call will be heard by those who think that pilots are a dime-a-dozen.
Both are required to be successful.
#18
Decisions ?
Originally Posted by Tuff
My first post in the Majors!!!
Flying not an art?
I'm sorry, stick and rudder is skill, but decision making is art (call it experience, but definately not a skill). One day the autopilot will click off unexpectedly and a wake-up call will be heard by those who think that pilots are a dime-a-dozen.
Both are required to be successful.
Flying not an art?
I'm sorry, stick and rudder is skill, but decision making is art (call it experience, but definately not a skill). One day the autopilot will click off unexpectedly and a wake-up call will be heard by those who think that pilots are a dime-a-dozen.
Both are required to be successful.
SkyHigh
Last edited by SkyHigh; 01-21-2006 at 02:49 PM.
#19
No art no thinking
Originally Posted by SkyHigh
By the time you make it to the majors you will have kept your feet on the floor for several years by then. (no rudder skills required) The plane will evaluate your stick inputs and decide whether to implement them or now (fly by wire) There are few actual flying skills are required and most decisions are made by people on the ground or by manuals and procedures. Your goal will be to reach the highest level of human automation. No art no thinking, sorry.
SkyHigh
SkyHigh
#20
Originally Posted by SkyHigh
The executives get paid more for shrinking the bottom line and creating a profitable company in the face of great diversity ..................... Every industry has a small army of suits and most get paid well. Pilots are a dime a dozen. They are so plentiful in fact that every HR department has thousands of identical resumes on file. There are only so many fortune magazine cover boys to go around.............
SKyHigh
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