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Old 01-21-2006, 02:47 PM
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I guess, pilot hating SkyHigh is posting today. We're dumb, we're plentiful, we're greedy, oh yes, and almost forgot, we're going to be replaced by a computer!

Thanks man ! Well done.

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Old 01-21-2006, 02:52 PM
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Pilots are all supermen of uncommon skills and abilities. They are the most celebrated of professions and deserve the highest levels of respect and compensation. The country should take notice and bow to the blessings of those brave men of the sky.

Does that help?

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Old 01-21-2006, 04:18 PM
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Well heres my thought on the matter. I have always liked looking at this in a level of responsibility. If an executive makes a mistake it might put a company on the rocks, he11 it might even cost a couple hundred jobs, but if you do the same they could be looking for an equal number of body bags (if there are any body's left to bury).

Remember that a surgeon might make 300K a year but he too only has 1 life to handle at a time. With the new 380 on the market, you could easliy kill 500 in one afternoon. I think that kind of responsibility requires a little more compensation.

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Old 01-21-2006, 06:35 PM
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I don't think anyone questions the level of responsibility or headaches (most) executives have...

What burns me is the amount of compensation they get in relation to the TINY PERCENTAGE of personnel they represent...a TINY FRACTION of employees get a MONSTER SHARE in compensation...

How can they DARE to collect MILLIONS when companies are in BANKRUPTCY, and Joe-Schmoe ramp agent, customer service rep, baggage handler, dispatcher, and yes...pilot employee has to take a 40% paycut?? COME ON...

This has NOTHING to do with how much pilots make, or how prestigious we think our jobs are, or how important we may think we are...this has to do with ETHICS...the average employee takes massive paycuts, and these buttheads get away with MILLIONS!!!

Sorry, Skyhigh, even you can't be THAT jaded.
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It has nothing to do with being jaded. Mike Jordan pulled in the big bucks because people would pay to see him. Companies pay executives the big bucks because someone thinks they are worth it. If they don't shell out the cash the fear is that they will leave. It seems that chapter 11 executives are worth more. I am not jaded just have what I think is a clear view of the situation.

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Originally Posted by XtremeF150
Well heres my thought on the matter. I have always liked looking at this in a level of responsibility. If an executive makes a mistake it might put a company on the rocks, he11 it might even cost a couple hundred jobs, but if you do the same they could be looking for an equal number of body bags (if there are any body's left to bury).

Remember that a surgeon might make 300K a year but he too only has 1 life to handle at a time. With the new 380 on the market, you could easliy kill 500 in one afternoon. I think that kind of responsibility requires a little more compensation.

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Lots of jobs have a similar level of responsibility: school bus drivers, soldiers, ferry boat captains, train engineers, cops, school teachers, regional airline pilots, airline mechanics and none of them ever expects to earn 300k per year.

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Old 01-22-2006, 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by SkyHigh
Pilots are all supermen of uncommon skills and abilities. They are the most celebrated of professions and deserve the highest levels of respect and compensation. The country should take notice and bow to the blessings of those brave men of the sky.

Does that help?

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We aren't supermen skyhigh.....maybe god-like would explain it better. Hmmm yeah that sounds about right.

Oh and before you put your life savings into microsoft just remember computers and equipment break and have flaws. Now maybe not all the time but they do. For further info google these topics:

Apollo 13, jet blue landing gear stuck down, blue screen of death, y2k, the blackout of 2003, etc.
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We aren't supermen skyhigh.....maybe god-like would explain it better. Hmmm yeah that sounds about right.

Oh and before you put your life savings into microsoft just remember computers and equipment break and have flaws. Now maybe not all the time but they do. For further info google these topics:

Apollo 13, jet blue landing gear stuck down, blue screen of death, y2k, the blackout of 2003, etc.

I appreciate the point that you are making however in the current world manual flying skills are rapidly becoming an emergency proceedure. Soon if the computer crashes so will the plane.

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I agree... I have many friends who have type rattings and when I asked them what do the have to do for the sim portions they say well you get about 10 min of flying then they start trying to kill you.
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Once again we defer the issue to other pilots. If the legacy pilots didn't roll over and play dead everytime pay cuts are proposed maybe there would be more pressure on LCCs to pay more if they want to continue to hire 500+ a year. Instead, pilots take paycuts and the company goes into Ch 11 anyway or execs take the little profits there are. ALPA screwed up when they gave in at Delta this last paycut. Givebacks aren't helping the company anyway. **** has a strike lost it's luster? Here's a wild concept - Delta pilots stike to stop paycuts, other ALPA/union/non-union pilots support them with slowdowns and work actions. All of a sudden the industry halts and we have a voice. But guess what, it'll never happen because those crusty old pilots I mentioned earlier care too much about their own wellfare and pensions to risk ANYTHING! Pilots protecting the profession my A$$. Fix the problems at your own airlines and the LCCs will have to follow. It is alot easier for LCCs to pay lower wages since they know the rest of the indusrty will come down to their levels. Stop the trend at the top.
Second how can LCC pilots do anything while their payrates go up (slowly), benefits and work rules improve, and the management doesn't steal from the company?

Lastly a 3rd year A320 FO at Northwest makes $77/hr while a 3rd year Capt at JB makes $116 before any 150% premium time. Lets compare apples to apples before making stupid comments about comparing pay. Don't forget that pilots at JB can upgrade in 2-2.5 years and about the same at AirTran. That isn't happening at NWA. As for the E190 pay JB pilots haven't stopped pushing for better rates and management knows that. If I had to bet I would bet on those going up within a year. Its a brand new airplane, flown by mainline JB pilots who will upgrade to CA in less then 12 months and can be 320 CAs in 12-18 mos after that. I haven't heard anything about NEWCO being flown by current NWA pilots. Lets see what those payrates will be and what ALPA will do about it.

I now will step down from my soapbox.....

We are all in this fight together, us verse the execs - and we are losing!!!. Lets stick together and support pilots who are losing pay/benefits and help LCC pilots to fight for more $$$. Direct the anger at the execs not at your bros/sisters.
Am I reading this right you blame delta pilots for your pay? huh. Isn't delta pay still above most LCC's except southwest even after pay cuts. Maybe the LCC's would pay more if they didn't have thousands of apps on file waiting for the job.

I don't think a strike has lost it's luster and I assume you expect jetblue to strike soon seen as how they have been making money for the last 5 years and will be the new airline to set the bar for pay.

I highly doubt other airlines would have a work slowdown or action in support delta but I get where you are coming from.

You said to fix the problems at your own airline but don't you think that the LCC's have more problems that they need to fix. If their pay were in line delta, management couldn't use them as an example of what others are getting paid.

You asked what can LCC's do about their pay when management doesn't screw them? How much did Airtran management take this past year in bonus's? Refer to your question about a strike losing it's luster and when did pilot pay become a matter of how much management makes?


The northwest pay was comparing the 2 before 2 rounds of pay cuts and at northwest you didn't have to upgrade to make jetblue or airtran captain rates. 150% premium pay kicked in at what 70+ hours? Yeah they got paid what the rest did for the first 70 hours.

Pilots are getting their arses handed to them because we aren't 1 group (like ALPA likes to say) and there are thousands out there willing to do it for less then what we are currently getting paid. I'm all for supporting my brothers and sisters but if they show up working for roughly 60% pay and glad to do it, it's time to have a discussion.
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