flyerNy

makes me wonder if the only solution is to have all pilots get together nationally and enforce nationally recognized pay standards.

SkyHigh

If that were in force then most of us would get the privilage of paying our $250 per year dues to preserve the pay and benifits of a few senior guys at the majors. Most pilots will never make it to the big time. The only option that most have is to play low ball.

SkyHigh

SkyHigh

Instead of stick and rudder it should be called button and dial. The innovation and joy of flying is totally lost in most modern planes.

SkyHigh

Punkpilot48

When they came out with the modern airliners (727, and dc-10s) most accidenst were the result of the pilot trying to fly by the seat of his pants instead of flying the profile.

You have to take a trade off. if you want to see the world get used to the buttons. If you want to be a barnstormer an airline isn't for you. Isnt funny Ill sit in the seneca and my student and I drool at the faster planes climbing up and over us; from what I know seems like most airline pilots that arer passing us look at our planes and get nostalgic of the good ol days of actully seeing the ground when you flew.

Change happens you can not complain about it. In 20 years itll be different again. It doesnt matter if its an airplane or cell phone or tv or computer. Might as well be telling us about how you had to walk up hill both ways in the snow to go use the outhouse. But me I live in florida there is no hills and Im still wearing my shorts in janurary.

Well its late and Ive been studying all day. (and on my day off too) I hope I stayed on topic.

Eric Stratton

and maybe you could go and get a job as a regional FO and be able to support a family instead of waiting to cross a picket line...

Eric Stratton

I'm curious what button did I pushed to stop from landing in the grass during strong and very gusty crosswinds this past week...

fireman0174

It's the "good judgement" button. After all, everything's so automated that the pilot isn't required anymore.

According to some, anyway.

SkyHigh

Sounds like a bad decision earlier forced the better decision later. There is a button for that situation as well and it is called the Go-Around button.

SkyHigh

SkyHigh

True statement. I don't think I was complaining about it. It seems that some of the younger set have an inaccurate view of what goes on in the flight deck of a modern plane. As you know the index finger gets most of the action these days. Actual piloting skills are becoming a thing of the past. As you mentioned I expect that the biggest change in 20 years will be that the flight will be managed from the ground and the pilots will be there for need of circuit breaker reset. I didn't enjoy that part of the airlines that much, however it is safer.

Working as an airline pilot today is a heavily scripted procedure driven feat of human automation. Very little skill or thinking is required. The only thing that really matters is if the data base is up to date and if you have the latest revision in your manual..

SkyHigh

SkyHigh

Eric,

That is my point exactly. If you work to set up a national system like this then the pilots at the top will sell you out as a regional FO. They do it all the time. There would not be a shared system of power. Their rationale would be that they are working to preserve your future, but most of us will never get there anyway. As a regional FO you will suffer with lowest wages while the son's of major airline captains pass you by and go on to enjoy a stable job and great pay. The whole idea is reminiscent of communism and we all know how that turned out.

In a way we all have to cross that picket line. Most would tell you that by working for a regional for slave wages that you are bringing the system down. However if you don't your dream will not be worth 2 cents. If you are lucky then after a few years you might get a chance at an LCC and you will cross that line again. Most of us are outsiders. We don't have friends in high places. We were not able to join the military superstar ranks. Our chances have been greatly discounted from the start. The advent of the regional airline is the only thing that opened up the majors as even a possibility for outsiders. Before then no one even thought about it unless you were from a well known aviation legacy or privileged military clan. If you bow down now to those in power they will thank you for streamlining the "good ol boy network" and wish you the "best of luck".

Besides I too was a Regional FO who was trying to support a new family. I realised long ago that it is a loosing proposition. You might have to cross a line.

SkyHigh