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WhizWheel 03-06-2008 03:40 PM


Originally Posted by JetPiedmont (Post 335081)
I can see that because I don't agree with you, you think I don't belong here, but that isn't how this forum, or this country, works.

As to false information, my arguments are on occasion simplified to a degree, but hardly misleading or false.

You take a very vapid approach when people disagree with you in that you resort to personal attacks, trying to discredit other people who have just as much right to be here and express their opinions as you do.

I am retired from 20 years of Legacy flying, and have been a pilot since 1974.

Then don't use words like vapid in the wrong context. Vapid, meaning dull or lacking briskness doesn't really seem like the right word now does it?

fosters 03-06-2008 05:52 PM


Originally Posted by ewrbasedpilot (Post 334946)
Where is the rest of the money going? The price of oil is up over 50% in the past year or so, yet the margins are still only 10%? I don't believe for one moment that the cost of refining that oil has gone up that fast. S

It hasn't, at least not too much. The RAW MATERIAL (oil) has increased in price 50%. Which is why their finished product (gas) has increased.

The "rest of the money" is going to the Middle East to buy things like 24 kt. plated Rolls Royce's with platinum plated dub-twos.

fosters 03-06-2008 05:58 PM


Originally Posted by Lighteningspeed (Post 334667)
To get the oil companies' attention, we are going to need a President who's got the balls to regulate and tax them at the rate they have been screwing us.

Someone mentioned here that the Government took 41% of what Exxon made last year while the oil companies take 10% of what we pay them (profit margin).

Who is screwing who?

Oh and by the way, while Exxon paid 41% in taxes last year, we as consumers paid that tax. If you tax Exxon at 75%, guess what happens? They raise their prices to preserve their profit.

Consumers pay all the tax in America. Corporations pay nothing, they just pass it on, especially at the commodity level.

Increasing taxes is the WORST thing you could do.

If you truly want to "screw" the oil companies, stop buying gas. "I just can't do that". We don't have many options here. Pretty much the only reasonable ones these days is either a LPG car (Honda) or buying a diesel and converting it to run on vegetable oil.

reCALcitrant 03-06-2008 05:58 PM

Maybe we should mark ticket prices up a bit.:rolleyes: Seems like in business you pass along increased costs to the consumer. Airlines can't seem to figure this out.

ewrbasedpilot 03-06-2008 07:10 PM


Originally Posted by reCALcitrant (Post 335204)
Maybe we should mark ticket prices up a bit.:rolleyes: Seems like in business you pass along increased costs to the consumer. Airlines can't seem to figure this out.

That is a great idea, but considering we'd have to do it almost EVERY DAY, it might get a bit expensive AND start turning off the passengers. Oil is becoming such a big PITA for airlines I wouldn't be surprised to see a few of them out of business very soon. I do find it interesting that $500 million in employee concessions in totally wiped out by two or three days of oil trading.:(

JetPiedmont 03-06-2008 07:52 PM


Originally Posted by WhizWheel (Post 335115)
Then don't use words like vapid in the wrong context. Vapid, meaning dull or lacking briskness doesn't really seem like the right word now does it?

I meant it more in the "stale" or "lacking significance" context, which is how personal attacks in leu of relevant discussion appear to me.

But now that you have mentioned it, it does also seem "dull" and "lacking briskness" to attack instead of discuss, as in "lazy" or "unstimulating" (which is actually a synonym for "vapid"), so thank you! JP

Raoul Duke 03-06-2008 08:42 PM


Originally Posted by Lighteningspeed (Post 335002)
He is definitely not an airline pilot for him to spewing this kind of nonsense.
Reminds me of Russian communist Putin propaganda spreading lies about Chechnya so he can invade Chechnya.

He must think that we will actually buy into this bs. Like I said he sounds a lot like the oil company employee that I had the misfortune of sitting next to on one of early commuting flights.

I think JetPiedmont and Jungle are right on target so far re: their statements about oil prices. I can tell JP is a retired airline pilot because I believe his sentiments reflect some of the concerns that pilots from his generation may have about the continued viability of our industry...they've seen some dramatic changes in their time, to say the least. Rather than moaning/groaning and trying to direct blame re: oil, these guys are simply telling it like it is...it hurts, but sometimes the truth hurts.

Complaining about oil prices is sort of like complaining about the weather...blaming politicians for the high cost of oil is sort of like holding 'em accountable for the weather. Politicians are inherently reactionary. This is why pilots and politicians are hardwired so differently. A pilot asks ATC for a 20 degree deviation left/right of course to avoid a build-up ahead...a politician flys into the build-up, then requests a deviation after it's too late. The only thing politicians are good for is pure entertainment...I wouldn't expect much more from them.

Anyhow, I've enjoyed this conversation so far re: oil prices. I wouldn't roast JP, I think his posts have been informative and to the point. He is clearly too far grounded in reality to be a communist and he sounds nothing like Putin for that matter.

Raoul Duke 03-06-2008 08:43 PM

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BalloonChaser 03-06-2008 09:46 PM

I understand everyone's point of view but (and maybe I missed it on one of the earlier pages) has anyone just considered that oil may be over $100 a barrel becasue for the last couple years we've been slipping toward a recession and the dollar sucks? The canadian dollar was stronger than the US dollar just a year and it's hovering at .98 to 1 right now! Maybe I'm naive here but I'm sure our tanking economy is helping to push that oil price up a bit?
Besides, can't be that bad yet right? No one is waiting in line for gas at the stations and no one is car-pooling yet, so I guess "we're" all just happy drinking our $4 dollar lattes and complaing about $3 gas!? :eek:

Lighteningspeed 03-07-2008 04:52 AM


Originally Posted by JetPiedmont (Post 335279)
I meant it more in the "stale" or "lacking significance" context, which is how personal attacks in leu of relevant discussion appear to me.

But now that you have mentioned it, it does also seem "dull" and "lacking briskness" to attack instead of discuss, as in "lazy" or "unstimulating" (which is actually a synonym for "vapid"), so thank you! JP

You are the one with the "Stale, and dull" argument and conjectures that does not help anyone except maybe make sorry excuses for the oil business. I've heard your kind of reasoning over and over from the media and the oil industry. Laziness is when you accept what the oil industry spews out and accept that as the truth without doing some investigation on your own. I showed your post to few of my airline pilot friends and they all agree you are a poser.


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