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aa173130 02-29-2008 05:28 AM

777 Loses power in LA yesterday.
 
Anyone with details? I hope Boeing gets this thing solved soon.

Tinpusher007 02-29-2008 05:40 AM

Can you be more specific...provide a source maybe?

aupilot 02-29-2008 05:54 AM

The rampers pulled the ground power before they were supposed to.

aa173130 02-29-2008 06:04 AM

Awesome
 
You guys are good...:D

BoxFlyer 02-29-2008 06:52 AM

Not a big deal if still on the ground. Now airborne, that's a different story.....
BA 777.

FlyerJosh 02-29-2008 07:11 AM

From another aviation board:

This is APA Communications Director Gregg Overman with the APA Information
Hotline for Thursday, February 28.


777 SAFETY ALERT: This afternoon American Airlines Flight 229, a Boeing 777
bound from MIA to LAX, had the left engine hang up on approach to LAX at
approximately 2,000 feet. The auto throttles were on and the left engine hung at
approach idle as the right engine accelerated normally. It is believed that the
left engine would not respond to throttle inputs for 10-15 seconds before
finally responding and accelerating to the commanded thrust. The right engine
performed normally. Maintenance has downloaded the DFDR data and Maintenance
action to be taken (ATBT) will be to sump the fuel tanks, pull the engine fuel
filters and check for contamination, BITE check the EEC and check the MAT for
any existing faults. We will continue to update you as we get more information.

Tinpusher007 02-29-2008 12:03 PM

This is definitely cause for concern. I hope its not a problem for the 777.

FADECmonkey 02-29-2008 12:21 PM


Originally Posted by Tinpusher007 (Post 330564)
This is definitely cause for concern. I hope its not a problem for the 777.

Ditto.

Here is an update on the BA777 accident:

http://www.aaib.dft.gov.uk/latest_ne...in_s1_2008.cfm

Sounds like in the BA case, the investigators are looking into evidence of cavitation in the engine fuel gear pumps.

aa173130 02-29-2008 12:23 PM

This will be a huge set back if source is not identified soon...
 
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...-throttle.html

jsled 02-29-2008 12:45 PM

British Airways and American have Rolls-Royce engines on their 777's. No Pratts have lost power that I know of. Could be a Rolls problem.

reddog25 02-29-2008 04:42 PM


Originally Posted by jsled (Post 330592)
British Airways and American have Rolls-Royce engines on their 777's. No Pratts have lost power that I know of. Could be a Rolls problem.

Look for a grounding notice soon, or a revocation of EROPS for RR

alvrb211 02-29-2008 07:35 PM


Originally Posted by jsled (Post 330592)
British Airways and American have Rolls-Royce engines on their 777's. No Pratts have lost power that I know of. Could be a Rolls problem.

Not many operators selected PW engines on the B777!

The RR Trent engines have literally millions of hours in service worldwide. Time will tell.

ExperimentalAB 02-29-2008 07:42 PM

Another reason I'd rather fly with zero-automation - because then, at least, you know exactly what is going to kill you - you don't have to guess!

Bellerophon 02-29-2008 07:46 PM

As you might expect, AA, Boeing and RR have all responded quickly to this reported incident involving an AA B777.

Without going into specific details, because they have been provided in confidence, preliminary indications are that this AA incident - whilst obviously of great concern - is not currently thought to be similar in nature to the recent BA B777 accident involving G-YMMM.

Preliminary indications tentatively suggest that the AA aircraft suffered some form of autothrottle malfunction, apparently confined to the left engine, but that both engines always produced their commanded thrust levels.

KoruPilot 02-29-2008 07:55 PM

Out of the thousands of flights that this aircraft has performed I would think that two related incidents of this nature so close together would be purely coincidental. Of course i fly the thing for a living so I'm leaning towards the positive side. The thing's have never so much as burped on one of our aircraft, and we have Trent powered 777's.

B757200ER 02-29-2008 08:44 PM


Originally Posted by jsled (Post 330592)
British Airways and American have Rolls-Royce engines on their 777's. No Pratts have lost power that I know of. Could be a Rolls problem.

Some of BA 777s are GE90-powered.

the turtle 03-01-2008 03:52 AM


Originally Posted by reddog25 (Post 330732)
Look for a grounding notice soon, or a revocation of EROPS for RR

Actually the engine has to FAIL, not just maintain idle...RR sucessfully defended that in a flight to AU in the last couple of years, I believe...the crew didn't shut the engine down, although they could have, and since its not an inflight engine shutdown ETOPS rules didn't apply...nice, huh?

III Corps 03-01-2008 06:46 AM


Originally Posted by ExperimentalAB (Post 330858)
Another reason I'd rather fly with zero-automation - because then, at least, you know exactly what is going to kill you - you don't have to guess!

So, you are tossing out the autopilot and flight directors on your RJ? <g>

jsled 03-01-2008 07:08 AM


Originally Posted by B757200ER (Post 330898)
Some of BA 777s are GE90-powered.

Ok. But the one that crashed was RR, right? Seriously, I am asking?

jsled 03-01-2008 07:09 AM


Originally Posted by alvrb211 (Post 330857)
Not many operators selected PW engines on the B777!

The RR Trent engines have literally millions of hours in service worldwide. Time will tell.

Perhaps. But the 777 launch customer and operator of the largest fleet of 777's in the United States did choose PW. No problems with the PW that I am aware of. That is my only point.

aa73 03-01-2008 09:15 AM


Originally Posted by jsled (Post 331061)
Perhaps. But the 777 launch customer and operator of the largest fleet of 777's in the United States did choose PW. No problems with the PW that I am aware of. That is my only point.


Jsled,

Is UAL the only PW 777 operator in the US? Just curious as to why nobody else ordered them with PWs.

73
Longtime PW fan (no pun intended ;))

alvrb211 03-01-2008 09:21 AM


Originally Posted by jsled (Post 331060)
Ok. But the one that crashed was RR, right? Seriously, I am asking?

Yes, that particular BA 777 was equiped with Rolls Trent engines. And it's correct that BA have both GE and RR engines on their 777 fleet.

AL


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