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Old 03-19-2008, 06:10 PM
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I don't think so. This group will pound sand if we don't get a big raise. This airline is bringing in record profits after 76 years of business. They can afford to give us a raise. And in 76 years of business they have seen plenty of competition before. It's not a new phenomenon. VA won't put us anywhere near out of business. Our on time will continue to be dismal if management continues to ignore our deserved big raise.
A big raise? You're joking right? I hope you guys get it, but I just don't see it happening with oil north of $100 and the country in a recession. I don't think you realize how much damage VA could do to your company.
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Old 03-19-2008, 08:11 PM
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How much Damage is VA going to do to YOUR company? AW.
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Old 03-19-2008, 09:09 PM
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Alaska as a company can deal with the VA "threat", but every other pilot group should be thinking about the threat that VA pilots pose to this industry when they agree to work for below substandard compensation. By below substandard, I mean that nearly everyone is working for substandard compensation in the majors and now VA pilots wh0re themselves out for even less. That is the real threat...not a few flights per day between SEA and SFO. To argue that oil at $100/BL should prevent pilots from getting paid what they are worth is ridiculous. That is flawed thinking and exactly what management wants to hear. They argue the same point, then laugh all the way to the bank because the stupid pilots are too scared to demand something better. Senior management at Alaska didn't take a pay cut, why should we?
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Old 03-19-2008, 10:09 PM
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How much Damage is VA going to do to YOUR company? AW.
Very little since I'm now in the health care industry. Why wait years for six figures when you can have it now along with job security(something you'll never see at Alaska). The only jobs worth having in aviation now are hauling boxes. How pathetic is that?
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Why wait years for six figures when you can have it now
Just curious, did you get your medical training on the internet?
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It's the same everywhere, good airlines are going downhill. I wouldn't be surprised to see Alaska pilots take another pay cut to compete with the likes of VA. Anyone under the age of 45 in this industry that isn't seriously taking steps to get out is foolish. I've got one foot out the door.
Alaska pilots will not voluntarily take a pay cut. Period.

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Amazing what an airline can accomplish if it finds pilots who will work for far less than they're worth.
Amen.

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Very little since I'm now in the health care industry. Why wait years for six figures when you can have it now along with job security(something you'll never see at Alaska). The only jobs worth having in aviation now are hauling boxes. How pathetic is that?
No one would or could have foreseen that Americans would pay $50 PLUS a fuel surcharge to ship a 10 lb. box, yet balk at paying $99 to bring Grandma out for a visit.
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Old 03-20-2008, 05:31 PM
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A big raise? You're joking right? I hope you guys get it, but I just don't see it happening with oil north of $100 and the country in a recession. I don't think you realize how much damage VA could do to your company.
No. Not joking. We will get a raise or we WILL walk. Our paycuts were not earned because our company couldn't pay the bills. It was given to us without a judge, while making profits, while every other work group got a raise, and LITERALLY over night! I would strike right now if we were allowed to. If the company goes under due a strike, well, I'm smart enough to make what I make elsewhere anyway.
This company has been raking in RECORD profits AND THIS IS AFTER 76 YEARS OF BUSINESS. Believe me, they can afford to give us a raise! Good luck with your med passes.
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Originally Posted by av8instyle View Post
I don't think so. This group will pound sand if we don't get a big raise. This airline is bringing in record profits after 76 years of business. They can afford to give us a raise. And in 76 years of business they have seen plenty of competition before. It's not a new phenomenon. VA won't put us anywhere near out of business. Our on time will continue to be dismal if management continues to ignore our deserved big raise.
No raise and late flights?hmmmmmmmmmm great plan
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Originally Posted by HPilot View Post
Very little since I'm now in the health care industry. Why wait years for six figures when you can have it now along with job security(something you'll never see at Alaska). The only jobs worth having in aviation now are hauling boxes. How pathetic is that?
I haul boxes and do not see a problem with it and its not a pathetic job from my view point besides how many ppl can say they see beautiful sunrises and sunsets on a weekly basis?
Without us box haulers as you call us you would,nt be getting your BOXES savvy!



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Old 03-20-2008, 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Fishfreighter View Post
No one would or could have foreseen that Americans would pay $50 PLUS a fuel surcharge to ship a 10 lb. box, yet balk at paying $99 to bring Grandma out for a visit.
That would depend on what a visit from Grandma is like, wouldn't it?
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