ewrbasedpilot

DUDE.............why has your profit margin seemingly deteriorated over the past few years as fuel has soared, eh, DUDE? Oh, that's right, it hasn't, and SWA will be profitable forever, right DUDE?

ToiletDuck

I've always heard of the hedge but never a price. What price did they manage to hedge their fuel at?

ewrbasedpilot

Yeah...........we should all stop our overseas flights, pair down to just B737's fly domestically, and let cabotage take care of the rest!!! I'm all for it!!!

ewrbasedpilot

About as quick as your post. Pretty cool, eh? I think you're about to be welcomed to the "unprofitable party"......... wanna bet???

SaltyDog

This is funny, the legacies always state that the international flying is the best profit center. SWA built an airline on a domestic product. SWA has an extremely stable and long term management team. That plays into the success of that outstanding company. Instead of bashing SWA for making a decreased profit in an environment that is losing airlines! The contrast has the ring of gallows humor.

Yes, SWA does in fact raise prices. I still pay regular customer rates to fly on them even if it goes up because I like the product and service. They do hedge fuel all the time, Sure they can lose money, Walmart can lose money too. But they would be the last ones standing with SWA. <g>
As much as many at CO may have a standing dislike of Bethune before he was sent packing, and Kellner now, at least they did some intelligent airline management and have some long term strategy that has made CO a pretty decent airline IMO. Better than many other legacies. Think that many legacies have a great group of pilots and employees. When I was a COEX with a future CO number (like 20,000,000 <g>) I was impressed with the likes of folks like you that slogged on giving a good service to the customers despite multiple bankruptcies and CEO's that came and went every year for awhile. I believed Bethune capitolized on the employees strength (witness all those JD Power Associate awards in the mid 90's) Reason JO is such a misfit, he goes out of his way to ruin the strength of loyal employees.

Metal121

SWA 1Q Profit=$34 million
CAL 1Q Loss= $80 million

I think this is what you were trying to say....dude.

Sideshow Bob

If and when the passenger industry actually begins charging what they really should, SWA will still be doing that much better than everyone else due to their way of doing business. The relative simplicity of their entire operation, quick turns and the general attitude of the workforce combined with an upper management that encourages initiative is what makes them a success, not only their fuel hedging, which certainly helps. Even without hedging their "success margin" would still have them above and beyond any legacy airline's domestic network. Most of the griping from bummed out legacy guys is little more than sour grapes.

mulcher

Jealousy really makes you look bad. Move your spew over to FI. Get a life. Ill take that bet. But, what will happen to CAL? How UNprofitable will that make them. You really dont have a clue do you?

ToiletDuck

What was the fuel hedged at? Also who are they buying it from that is losing their bottoms on the deal now?

ewrbasedpilot

Nope, this is what I was trying to say........CAL B-777, B757, B767, and B737..... Rome, Beijing, Paris, Tokyo, SXM, STT, POS....

SWA B-737.......... Dallas, PHX, Paris (Texas)...wow!!! DUDE...