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Originally Posted by Meatball
(Post 375398)
VA is no better than Skybus and hopefully its fate will be the same.
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Originally Posted by Meatball
(Post 375398)
VA is no better than Skybus and hopefully its fate will be the same.
Skybus at least had a midwest base where the pi$$ poor pay could at least rent you a one bedroom apartment.;) Add me to the list of those that would never let my family fly VA. |
Well we'll just try to make our way without you, your family, and of course your well wishes.:)
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Originally Posted by Meatball
(Post 375398)
VA is no better than Skybus and hopefully its fate will be the same.
I guess I'm missing something. I know a decent number of pilots over at VA, and I'd sure hate to see them on the street. |
Originally Posted by IFlyEm
(Post 375426)
And where would it be better? UAL? NWA? USAIR? AMR? CAL? Going to work for these guys now would be GREAT if you want to free up your schedule for the next 5 years once the furloughs start to get handed out. Right Spaceman? :rolleyes:
And I don't think anyone can guarantee VA will escape the current bloodbath... |
So.... Back to the original point.....
Has anyone who took the on-line evaluation the week of the 14th heard anything back from VA?
Skipper |
Originally Posted by GolfKilo73
(Post 375547)
This statement is totally inaccurate.
Skybus at least had a midwest base where the pi$$ poor pay could at least rent you a one bedroom apartment.;) Add me to the list of those that would never let my family fly VA. I can understand why you feel this way. Looking at VA on just one sheet a paper, I think it would be easy to come to that conclusion. So this is my case for VA: If all you cared about was money, let's look at 1st year pay, the first 5 years, and then beyond. 1st year pay is $44/hour and benefits start at 30 days. The only legacy carrier that's better is Delta, and it far exceeds Continental's 30/hour and I have to pay my own cobra for 6 months. I couldn't even do it. The first 5 years. When considering your pay, you have to figure in that upgrade should be within the first year. No guarantee of course, but the investors are bent on VA growing. In which case, you will make more money your first 5 years at VA BY FAR then anywhere else except a UPS/FDX type place. I will make $120,000 more during those 5 years then the many of my co-workers that jumped over to Alaska. 5 years +. The scale tops out at 6 years for obvious reasons. As that time nears, further increases will be evaluated. VA highly values the happiness of its employees. Just as long as the profits are reasonable, those rates should rise. Southwest didn't have industry leading wages their first year and I certainly don't expect VA to. The rapid growth in seniority also highly benefits my ability to bid well quickly which will pay dividends in the time I will be able to spend with my family. As far a location is concerned, I can only speak for myself that I love the SFO domicile. My locality has 32 flights a day to the bay area (SJC and OAK are connected by public transport). And being a lifetime west coast guy, some of the domiciles I'd end up at working elsewhere are nauseous. And with the current environment being what it is, there's a lot to be said about working for a "happy place." VA is right for me and right for my family. I'm glad I didn't get on elsewhere. VA has the highest minimums in the country. There's a reason why. Oh, and I don't agree with IFlyEm that it is ALL personality. You will get your fair share of tell me about a time questions. They want to make sure you will fit in, but they are still very much interested in your decision making processes. And to the last poster, I got an email the hour after I finished my psych test. There may be more demand now then before though with everyone else stopping hiring and furloughs. |
Originally Posted by wheels
(Post 375928)
The first 5 years. When considering your pay, you have to figure in that upgrade should be within the first year. No guarantee of course, but the investors are bent on VA growing. In which case, you will make more money your first 5 years at VA BY FAR then anywhere else except a UPS/FDX type place. I will make $120,000 more during those 5 years then the many of my co-workers that jumped over to Alaska. 5 years +. The scale tops out at 6 years for obvious reasons. As that time nears, further increases will be evaluated. VA highly values the happiness of its employees. Just as long as the profits are reasonable, those rates should rise. Southwest didn't have industry leading wages their first year and I certainly don't expect VA to. VA is right for me and right for my family. I'm glad I didn't get on elsewhere. VA has the highest minimums in the country. There's a reason why. Substantial growth at $120/bbl? One year upgrades? Salaries that "should" rise? Pay comparisons to Alaska (which is a great company, but not by any means setting the standard on pay)? My man, take a look at the economy! I'm sorry, but I'm just not buying. You could substitute any airline for "VA" in your statements, and its management bleats the same thing. More power to you if you get everything you're banking on. History would urge you to be skeptical until you see something in writing (starting with higher pay, please). |
Originally Posted by Spaceman Spliff
(Post 376020)
I'm glad you're happy there, esp if you live in the pacific northwest, but your post strikes me as a bunch of company talking points.
Substantial growth at $120/bbl? One year upgrades? Salaries that "should" rise? Pay comparisons to Alaska (which is a great company, but not by any means setting the standard on pay)? My man, take a look at the economy! I'm sorry, but I'm just not buying. You could substitute any airline for "VA" in your statements, and its management bleats the same thing. More power to you if you get everything you're banking on. History would urge you to be skeptical until you see something in writing (starting with higher pay, please). Even if VA totally flopped, everyone there has A LOT of total time and plenty of PIC and add a A320 type right out of training... I'd be more marketable than had a just stuck around. VA has a awesome product. I believe it's potential is incredible and they have a lot of great people. Don't fly em if you like, but your kidding yourself if you think the people there are some less quality than elsewhere. |
Originally Posted by Spaceman Spliff
(Post 374851)
I have to ask...why would a "competent pilot" with "8000+ hours, numerous type ratings, and years of 121 experience" be willing to work for an uncompetitive wage in one of the most expensive areas in the US?
Right or wrong, I think the presence of a "competence gap" at VA is the perception of many pilots, who can't understand why folks would work for those wages. My family will never fly on VA, either. |
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