Scam: High Fuel Prices
05-03-2008, 12:11 PM
#31
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You obviously think oil has little to do with your life. How would you feel about sitting in the dark, freezing, with no food except what you could find growing in your yard? No lights, no heat, no refrigeration, no plastics, no transportation. Without oil or it's equivalent, we'd be back in the stone age. In today's civilization, EVERYTHING requires oil. Until a substitute is found, the oil better not stop flowing.
Originally Posted by bbtp
oil has the widest-ranging effect on our daily lives???
ok, tell that to venezuelans, who continue to live in poverty despite the fact that the value of their greatest national resource has soared. clearly, FREEDOM has a greater effect than the price of oil.
tell that to the cubans, who have, on a regular basis, risked their lives to cross the straits of florida in shoddy dinghies to escape the castro repression. they did this when oil was below $20 per barrel, and they continued to do it as the price of oil soared. FREEDOM clearly had a greater effect than the price of oil.
tell that to the mexicans, who despite the economic slowdown here, continue to risk their lives to cross the arizona desert in hopes of finding a better livelihood here. again, they continue to do this despite a soaring value in their own natural resources - unfortuntely, their natural resources are controlled by the state while the free market invests in ours. again, clearly FREEDOM has a greater effect than the price of oil.
tell that to the north koreans. they have no oil as a natural resource. but, regardless of oil's price, they have been suffering repression and famines for years. i doubt that they find oil having much impact on their lives.
in my personal life here, i find MANY things that are more important to my DAILY life and will continue to be more important in the long run. oil is only peripherally a national security concern - and it certainly doesn't have nearly the most wide-ranging effect on my life or that of most human beings.
be careful what you wish for. if you think the price of oil is a "scam" and is a bubble, there are plenty of easy ways to profit from that hunch. go for it - i won't loan you the dough, but you probably will find someone that will (or risk your own capital if you wish). i don't know what it's going to do, so you won't find me putting $$ where my keyboard is - i'll just stump for freedom instead.
ok, tell that to venezuelans, who continue to live in poverty despite the fact that the value of their greatest national resource has soared. clearly, FREEDOM has a greater effect than the price of oil.
tell that to the cubans, who have, on a regular basis, risked their lives to cross the straits of florida in shoddy dinghies to escape the castro repression. they did this when oil was below $20 per barrel, and they continued to do it as the price of oil soared. FREEDOM clearly had a greater effect than the price of oil.
tell that to the mexicans, who despite the economic slowdown here, continue to risk their lives to cross the arizona desert in hopes of finding a better livelihood here. again, they continue to do this despite a soaring value in their own natural resources - unfortuntely, their natural resources are controlled by the state while the free market invests in ours. again, clearly FREEDOM has a greater effect than the price of oil.
tell that to the north koreans. they have no oil as a natural resource. but, regardless of oil's price, they have been suffering repression and famines for years. i doubt that they find oil having much impact on their lives.
in my personal life here, i find MANY things that are more important to my DAILY life and will continue to be more important in the long run. oil is only peripherally a national security concern - and it certainly doesn't have nearly the most wide-ranging effect on my life or that of most human beings.
be careful what you wish for. if you think the price of oil is a "scam" and is a bubble, there are plenty of easy ways to profit from that hunch. go for it - i won't loan you the dough, but you probably will find someone that will (or risk your own capital if you wish). i don't know what it's going to do, so you won't find me putting $$ where my keyboard is - i'll just stump for freedom instead.
05-03-2008, 03:36 PM
#32
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Originally Posted by org1
You obviously think oil has little to do with your life. How would you feel about sitting in the dark, freezing, with no food except what you could find growing in your yard? No lights, no heat, no refrigeration, no plastics, no transportation. Without oil or it's equivalent, we'd be back in the stone age. In today's civilization, EVERYTHING requires oil. Until a substitute is found, the oil better not stop flowing.
i said (nor indicated) no such thing. i was responding to a sweeping statement that oil had the most wide-ranging effect on our daily lives. certainly it plays a critical role in multiple applications - but a more wide-ranging effect than anything else? I totally disagree.
i don't disagree that we need energy (oil being one source) - hence my stance that we need to allow the markets to work unfettered. we won't run out of oil in an unfettered market.
05-03-2008, 04:23 PM
#34
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Originally Posted by olympic
Guys, not to be an ass.
But in Europe, Gas is over a euro a liter!!
4 liters in a gallon! SO STOP *****ING!!
You do the math!
Olympic
But in Europe, Gas is over a euro a liter!!
4 liters in a gallon! SO STOP *****ING!!
You do the math!
Olympic
05-03-2008, 04:34 PM
#35
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Originally Posted by olympic
Guys, not to be an ass.
But in Europe, Gas is over a euro a liter!!
4 liters in a gallon! SO STOP *****ING!!
You do the math!
Olympic
But in Europe, Gas is over a euro a liter!!
4 liters in a gallon! SO STOP *****ING!!
You do the math!
Olympic
05-03-2008, 05:53 PM
#36
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bbtp,
I agree with you that punishing corporations for profits is a ridiculous idea. Aside from being against what our economy is all about, it simply won't solve the problem. I am all for easing restrictions to known sources of domestic energy.
I agree with you that punishing corporations for profits is a ridiculous idea. Aside from being against what our economy is all about, it simply won't solve the problem. I am all for easing restrictions to known sources of domestic energy.
05-03-2008, 06:36 PM
#37
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I manage to get an extra 100 miles to a tank of gas in my car (2005 Chrysler Pacifica) by doing a few small things:
Use cruise control even on 35 mph streets
Drive 55 mph on highway (hard for some people, I know)
Put car in neutral when stopped at a stop light
Take off from the stop light slowly
Keep tires at max pressure
Put car in neutral and coast whenever possible
Use air conditioning only on the highway and shut off the a/c portion leaving the fan on letting the air recirculate once the air is cool
Don't haul around extra weight in the car
Regular oil changes and clean air filters
Reduce drag by having windows closed whenever possible
If everyone did this, the demand would go way down.
..just my .03 (price went up from .02 because of fuel prices)
Use cruise control even on 35 mph streets
Drive 55 mph on highway (hard for some people, I know)
Put car in neutral when stopped at a stop light
Take off from the stop light slowly
Keep tires at max pressure
Put car in neutral and coast whenever possible
Use air conditioning only on the highway and shut off the a/c portion leaving the fan on letting the air recirculate once the air is cool
Don't haul around extra weight in the car
Regular oil changes and clean air filters
Reduce drag by having windows closed whenever possible
If everyone did this, the demand would go way down.
..just my .03 (price went up from .02 because of fuel prices)
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