atpwannabe

Has anyone taken a look at the payscale USAir has put out for the EMB-190. OUCH!!! Republic Airways Holdings payscale for the same a/c is a little better.

SWAjet

Yeah, but at least their own pilots will be flying it-- not contract flyers like Republic Air. Which is something ALPA should have thought about years ago when deciding it was OK to farm out regional props/jets.

atpwannabe

For Captain that is. The pay is less than what Republic Airways is paying their Captains in terms of an hourly rate. F/O pay, on the other hand looks a little better as far as starting pay.

FlyByWire

"Yeah, but at least their own pilots will be flying it"
AGREED!!!

edik

Air Canada CA make more, even with the currency exchange.

swaayze

Actually the U pay is better until you get to the top few years of scale. Hopefully those rates will move up in future bargaining, but at least mainline secured this flying for similar rates (no small feat due to other costs being higher at mainline), and don't forget the 10% defined contribution at mainline as well. So, overall, pretty competitive with JB and RP but with the added lure of the B73/B75/76 and A320/330 to move into from the entry level 190 slots.

Savannahguy

Ahhh, and the awful truth begins to rear it's ugly head.

Yeah, those are the entry pay rates. Get used to em, because what has happened at US Airways is being replayed again at United, Northwest, and Delta. And if those carriers follow US, Then the remaining legacies will do the same.

Why...?

Because of what I call "internal" competition. Not an "external" kind of competition for your customers, but rather a competitor for your own flying.

Granted, it will be laid out as a "brand X does it at this much, so we have to match em" situation, but the reality is that these pilot groups, stripped of real scope protection by the bankruptcy process (and competitive pressure) must now defend their flying against outsiders that can and will do it for less.

So yeah, Republic's payscales are higher. How exactly do you think the US Airways pilots were able to maintain that flying on our property otherwise.

The recent large E-190 order, kept that flying in house, and no further into the hands of John Orstien's CRJ-900's. (you should see CLT nowadays, they are everywhere). Overtime, the E-190's will replace the CRJ-900's and JO and his boys can go play elsewhere.

Long run, that is a far more important outcome for our pilot group than attaining the same payscales we held in the F-100 (for a plane we would never to fly as a result).

No other legacy has lost more of our flying, or seen such negative growth. With 15 year guys out on furlough, and no scope (to speak of) remaining, it is a tough but necessary move on our part to compete on price rather than quality, but that is the awful truth of the matter.