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timman19 06-19-2008 10:28 AM

CAL & UAL Announce Cooperation Agreement; CAL to Join Star Alliance
 
See below article. I'm not too surprised.

CHICAGO, June 19 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Continental Airlines (NYSE: CAL - News) and United Airlines (Nasdaq: UAUA - News) today announced a framework agreement to cooperate extensively, linking their networks and services worldwide to the benefit of customers, and creating revenue opportunities and cost savings and other efficiencies. In addition, Continental plans to join United in the Star Alliance, the most comprehensive airline alliance in the world.
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http://ad.n2434.doubleclick.net/ad/N...3900014999884?if(window.yzq_d==null)window.yzq_d=new Object();window.yzq_d['_neVMUSOxLw-']='&U=13frpsmlj%2fN%3d_neVMUSOxLw-%2fC%3d635947.12036076.12470415.1383221%2fD%3dLREC %2fB%3d5130454%2fV%3d1';http://us.bc.yahoo.com/b?P=GicgJUSOx...130454%2fV%3d1"Continental's plan to partner with United and join the Star Alliance will provide substantial new opportunities for all of our customers," said Larry Kellner, chairman and CEO of Continental. "In a network business, there is significant value gained from linking with larger networks to provide truly national coverage and expanded global reach, and exploring new ways to reduce costs and improve efficiencies. As we experience some of the most challenging conditions airlines have ever faced, we look forward to the benefits of a new relationship with United and the other Star Alliance members."
Teams from the two organizations worked intensively over the last several weeks exploring creative solutions for how the two companies could achieve efficiencies and synergies that expand beyond the well-established benefits of codesharing. Their work focused on plans for significant cooperation on frequent flier programs, lounges, facility utilization, information technology and procurement. This work was assisted by the efficiency opportunities identified and relationships developed during the parties' earlier merger discussions.
"The teams worked well together to identify opportunities to create a unique and competitive partnership extending well beyond a traditional code share agreement," said Glenn Tilton, chairman, president and CEO of United. "On behalf of the Star Alliance, I am very pleased to invite Continental to join as a member. Continental will bring significant new assets to our global alliance, and our two companies will work together effectively with our partners to provide the best overall network in America and the world."
Kellner and Tilton are meeting in Chicago this afternoon to sign a framework agreement outlining the systemwide alliance and cooperation principles between their carriers.
Antitrust Immunized Joint Ventures
Through this new partnership, Continental and United plan to establish joint ventures allowing them to cooperate with each other and with other Star Alliance airlines in international regions and compete more effectively in an increasingly global air travel market.
Initially, Continental will request the U.S. Department of Transportation (DOT) to allow it to join United -- along with Lufthansa, Air Canada and six other carriers -- in their already established antitrust immunized alliance. This will enable Continental, United, Lufthansa, Air Canada and other immunized Star Alliance carriers to work closely together as other antitrust immunized alliances do, and to establish trans-Atlantic and other international joint ventures so they can deliver highly competitive flight schedules, fares and service. The planned trans-Atlantic joint venture, in which Continental, United, Lufthansa and Air Canada will pool revenue, will permit the carriers to compete more effectively with the proposed joint venture involving certain SkyTeam members that was recently granted antitrust immunity. The trans-Atlantic joint venture will combine the strength of the carriers to create a more efficient and comprehensive trans-Atlantic network for the carriers' customers.
Joint ventures are also planned for the Latin America and Asia/Pacific regions, involving Continental, United and other members of the Star Alliance. Both antitrust immunity and code-sharing are subject to receipt of approvals from applicable national authorities.
Domestic Codesharing and Frequent Flier/Lounge Reciprocity
Continental's and United's route networks are highly complementary, with little overlap, so they add value to each other and to customers who are planning domestic and international itineraries.
In the United States domestic market, where antitrust immunity for solely domestic travel would not apply, the two airlines plan to begin broad code-sharing, which facilitates the creation of itineraries using both carriers, as well as frequent Flier program, elite customer recognition and airport lounge reciprocity. These cooperative activities are subject to regulatory notice to applicable authorities and Continental exiting certain of its current alliance relationships. Under code-sharing, customers will benefit from a coordinated process for reservations/ticketing, check-in, flight connections and baggage transfer.
Frequent flier reciprocity will allow members of Continental's OnePass program and United's Mileage Plus program to earn miles in their accounts when flying on either partner airline and redeem awards on both carriers. Travel on either carrier will count toward elite customer recognition. Similarly, each carrier's customers will have access to both Continental's Presidents Club network and United's Red Carpet Club network of airport lounges.
Continental Joining Star Alliance
Continental's plans to join the Star Alliance and the other planned cooperation are subject to receipt of certain regulatory and other approvals and the termination of certain contractual relationships, including Continental's existing agreements with SkyTeam members that restrict its participation in another global alliance. Continental intends to terminate its existing agreements with SkyTeam members and obtain the necessary approvals to enter the Star Alliance, although Continental may not be successful, and the time period for doing so may be out of Continental's control. For example, a principal contractual restriction will not terminate until nine months after the closing of the proposed Delta/Northwest merger. Continental intends to transition out of SkyTeam and into the Star Alliance in a customer friendly manner.
Joining the Star Alliance will connect Continental with United and 19 other airlines around the world. Within Star, frequent Fliers enjoy reciprocity with respect to both mileage accrual and redemption among the member airlines. The airlines also reciprocally recognize elite status, and provide access to the worldwide network of lounges operated by the Star Alliance airlines.
About the Star Alliance
The Star Alliance network was established in 1997 as the first truly global airline alliance to offer customers worldwide reach and a smooth travel experience. Star Alliance received the Air Transport World Market Leadership Award in 2008 and was voted Best Airline Alliance by Business Traveller Magazine in 2003, 2006 and 2007 and by Skytrax in 2003, 2005 and 2007. The members are Air Canada, Air China, Air New Zealand, ANA, Asiana Airlines, Austrian, bmi, LOT Polish Airlines, Lufthansa, Scandinavian Airlines, Shanghai Airlines, Singapore Airlines, South African Airways, Spanair, SWISS, TAP Portugal, Turkish Airlines, THAI, United and US Airways. Regional member carriers Adria Airways (Slovenia), Blue1 (Finland) and Croatia Airlines enhance the global network. Air India and EgyptAir have been accepted as future members. Overall, the Star Alliance network offers nearly 18,000 daily flights to 965 destinations in 162 countries.
About Continental
Continental Airlines provides more than 3,100 flights a day on Continental and Continental Express to more than 280 U.S. and international destinations from its hubs in New York/Newark, Houston, Cleveland and Guam. Continental is the world's fifth largest airline, with routes throughout the Americas, Europe and Asia. With more than 45,000 employees, Continental carries approximately 69 million passengers per year. For more company information, visit http://continental.com.
About United
United Airlines provides more than 3,200 flights a day on United and United Express to more than 200 U.S. domestic and international destinations from its hubs in Los Angeles, San Francisco, Denver, Chicago and Washington, D.C. With key global air rights in the Asia-Pacific region, Europe and Latin America, United is one of the largest international carriers based in the United States. United's 55,000 employees reside in every U.S. state and in many countries around the world. News releases and other information about United can be found at the company's Web site at http://united.com.
This press release contains forward-looking statements that are not limited to historical facts, but reflect the company's current beliefs, expectations or intentions regarding future events. All forward-looking statements involve risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those in the forward-looking statements. Examples of such risks and uncertainties include receipt of various regulatory approvals, successful negotiation of documents implementing the planned alliances, Continental exiting certain of its current alliance relationships, and other approvals. Please read Continental's current report on Form 8-K filed on June 19, 2008 for additional information regarding these risks and uncertainties. The company undertakes no obligation to publicly update or revise any forward-looking statements to reflect events or circumstances that may arise after the date of this press release, except as required by applicable law.

Daytripper 06-19-2008 12:29 PM

Quite interesting on many levels. I had heard Lufthansa was pushing this for the last several months. Maybe they hear Nero fiddling over in Europe? :mad:

Comment from CAL MEC? ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

BHopper88 06-19-2008 12:53 PM

wonder how long until CAL gets kicked out of the "world gateway" in DTW to the upcoming North Terminal.

iahflyr 06-19-2008 04:16 PM

The first step to the eventual merger of UAL/CAL.

I give it one year. CAL will join Star Alliance (IMO, the best alliance out there currently). CAL management will watch revenue stream in from Asia and the west coast, reminding them of why they were planning to merge with UAL in the first place. That along with fuel prices that will only continue to rise will have CAL management watching the red ink spew out, especially during the 4th quarter 08 and the 1st quarter 09. DAL/NWA will have already been approved, and they will have already dethroned CAL as (again, IMO) the best legacy carrier today.

Give it one year. Hopefully this is the start to a much stronger CAL. The airline environment is changing rapidly, and CAL must adapt or else. Star Alliance brings a lot to the table. Most notably, United's strong Asia presence and United's strong west coast presence (especially the money markets in California). I want to see CAL remain the best legacy carrier out there, but there is no chance of competing against the new Delta.

Ottopilot 06-19-2008 04:39 PM

Dream on. I disagree.

Myboyblue 06-19-2008 04:58 PM

No possibility of CAL/UAL merger now. Not a chance, maybe if we got locked out of the One World Alliance for whatever reason, but not now. UA is hurting bad. Instead of sinking with the once unsinkable Titanic Cal will now take the silver and gold from the deck before she goes.

gufusu 06-19-2008 05:20 PM


Originally Posted by iahflyr (Post 407651)
The first step to the eventual merger of UAL/CAL.

I give it one year. CAL will join Star Alliance (IMO, the best alliance out there currently). CAL management will watch revenue stream in from Asia and the west coast, reminding them of why they were planning to merge with UAL in the first place. That along with fuel prices that will only continue to rise will have CAL management watching the red ink spew out, especially during the 4th quarter 08 and the 1st quarter 09. DAL/NWA will have already been approved, and they will have already dethroned CAL as (again, IMO) the best legacy carrier today.

Give it one year. Hopefully this is the start to a much stronger CAL. The airline environment is changing rapidly, and CAL must adapt or else. Star Alliance brings a lot to the table. Most notably, United's strong Asia presence and United's strong west coast presence (especially the money markets in California). I want to see CAL remain the best legacy carrier out there, but there is no chance of competing against the new Delta.

Is that you Jay Pierce?

acl65pilot 06-19-2008 05:41 PM

I called this one two years ago. Now the question is if UAL can stay afloat. If not there will be a bidding war on their routes.

7576United 06-19-2008 05:42 PM


Originally Posted by Myboyblue (Post 407703)
No possibility of CAL/UAL merger now. Not a chance, maybe if we got locked out of the One World Alliance for whatever reason, but not now. UA is hurting bad. Instead of sinking with the once unsinkable Titanic Cal will now take the silver and gold from the deck before she goes.


I hate to break the news to you, but everyone is losing money right now.

Myboyblue 06-19-2008 05:49 PM

No doubt everyone is losing money but last qtr CAL lost 80 compared to UAL's 5??, 5 times the lost. I haven't seen anything in the last 12 weeks to show anything will be different this qtr. I hope my post didn't sound like any ill will toward UAL, I hope the best for everyone. I find it amazing Tilton is still at the helm.

SoCalGuy 06-19-2008 06:14 PM


Originally Posted by gufusu (Post 407724)
Is that you Jay Pierce?

Nah....just echo's of the "former".....Jay Panarello :cool:

SoCalGuy 06-19-2008 06:31 PM


Originally Posted by Myboyblue (Post 407751)
No doubt everyone is losing money but last qtr CAL lost 80 compared to UAL's 5??, 5 times the lost. I haven't seen anything in the last 12 weeks to show anything will be different this qtr. I hope my post didn't sound like any ill will toward UAL, I hope the best for everyone. I find it amazing Tilton is still at the helm.

Try almost 7x's that amount....$542 Million vs the $80 Million in the first Q. You think that is bad, how about we revisit these numbers on both sides in the 2 or 3Q....both up coming loses will be staggering I bet....not only with these two companies, but the other legacy carriers as well.

I agree with you. How is it that a "Tilton" stays at the helm?? That I would like to have the answer. This industry seems to be one of the few that only promotes incompetence within. The more you screw up, the higher you get promoted....how is that?? Well, when your on top....ie Mr Glenn Tilton....I guess you would have no where else to rise within! I don't get the logic, let's just keep pumping the CEO with more $$ as he continues to run the airline down hill. With that, who on the board keeps this clown around??

All that I can say is that I hope Larry and his management team do not eat from the same retard sandwich platter.

Daytripper 06-19-2008 07:04 PM

Did CAL just get a couple hundred mil from some credit card branding deal?
They floated some stock today too. Lufthansa has been pushing. CAL reiterated today, no merger. Somethings up.

SoCalGuy 06-20-2008 04:18 AM


Originally Posted by Daytripper (Post 407817)
Did CAL just get a couple hundred mil from some credit card branding deal?
They floated some stock today too. Lufthansa has been pushing. CAL reiterated today, no merger. Somethings up.

Interesting point....missed that intel on most of the "company news" blurbs.....That is a chunk of change.

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080612/conti...look.html?.v=2

CALPilotToo 06-20-2008 02:12 PM


Originally Posted by SoCalGuy (Post 407989)
Interesting point....missed that intel on most of the "company news" blurbs.....That is a chunk of change.

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080612/conti...look.html?.v=2

Just enough to cover the management bonuses is all. We won't see a penny of that. Not this whimpy pilot group. If anyone out there thinks this pilot group will force management to do anything think again. Too many lovers of airplanes that will do anything just to say they are pilots and too many scabs or pilots that think like scabs.

gufusu 06-20-2008 02:27 PM


Originally Posted by CALPilotToo (Post 408423)
Just enough to cover the management bonuses is all. We won't see a penny of that. Not this whimpy pilot group. If anyone out there thinks this pilot group will force management to do anything think again. Too many lovers of airplanes that will do anything just to say they are pilots and too many scabs or pilots that think like scabs.

Things are changing for the better in the LEC 170! If you're based in EWR be at the next meeting on the 26th.

757Driver 06-21-2008 06:03 AM


Originally Posted by CALPilotToo (Post 408423)
Just enough to cover the management bonuses is all. We won't see a penny of that. Not this whimpy pilot group. If anyone out there thinks this pilot group will force management to do anything think again. Too many lovers of airplanes that will do anything just to say they are pilots and too many scabs or pilots that think like scabs.

Sad but very true. We have a vocal minority who is ignored by our MEC/LEC and until the so called killer B's truly outnumber the scabs and sympathizers, we'll go nowhere.


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