Ok boss. whatever you say.

SP92...you need to get off this forum for at least a week and go interact with some human beings for a while. I hear you were quite the "expert" at EJ as well. Just know that we are all junior on this forum. We all hope for the best and plan for the worst. Your nonstop dribble about NWA when we all know you've been there for 9 mo's max makes you sound like a tool. We get it ok? DAL is lucky to have the opportunity with NWA. 787's are more than paper, and 9's don't really burn that much gas....blah blah blah. Just know that you've already made quite a name for yourself and DAL before every stepping foot off the tundra.

Cheers.

Forgive me if i missed something but is this not an aviation discussion board? What exactly do you do on a discussion board? :cool: Made a name for myself? HAHAHA you mean by my optimistic outlook for our company? Or the fact that i stay informed about whats going on? Its all of our responsibilities to stay informed and thats what i do. I really appreciate your concern about my well being and my personal life especially when i am in my crashpad. I will be sure to tell my wife i have a secret admirer online.:eek: I will warn you though she might get a little jealous though.

Thanks again peaches, love you!! :p

Damn Leonardo, he knows who you are. Better watch your back in ATL:rolleyes:

Curious where you "heard" that from.

And for YOUR edification, he knew more than the average bear on just about every topic when he was there.

I'm guessing it's not because he was some kind of "superpilot", but because he ACTUALLY paid attention to what was going on.

Originally Posted by hiflyer View Post
You are confused.Well to be fair i believe YOU are the one whom is confused. First, the SOC is out of DAL's control. It typically takes one -two years for a SOC to be granted. This is what management believes, this is what their business plan going forward is based on and that is also why the JCBA is extended beyond what many consider desirable.

Are you familiar how long LCC's took?Are you familiar with the circus goat rope over there? Did that effect anything? Do you understand now LOA 19?DO you understand the JCBA? NWA will be operated as a subsidiary of DAL until the SOC is granted. LOA 19 gave DAL all it needs to capture the synergies while waiting on the SOC.LOA 19 will likely not be in place since the JCBA is like to pass.

DAL is parking aircraft too. With the new aircraft on the way it "most likely" will be a wash. The job savings will come by the way of future growth because of the merger, not in spite of the merger. So the sooner we are all on board, then the company can begin to grow.This i agree with.

DAL will not be hiring off the street come this Fall despite the "rumors". It makes no sense, not that "making sense" matters, but look out on the horizon and see what is happening to the economy and our industry.

Lastly, your rumor is just that and has not been put into any language. To suspect that NWA will furlough and send the bottom pilots over to DAL seems unlikely, not that something couldn't be worked out. I doubt there will be furloughs, but the notion that NWA will be overstaffed.......I NEVER said NWA would furlough and get brought over to DAL at the bottom. I said some of the bottom guys at the bottom COULD be used at DAL IF pilots are needed. Will it happen? Who knows it was just a discussion piece. There are ways around waiting until the SOC before meeting all the efficiencies. Mgmt is working on all of this stuff now.

I also seriously doubt your fellow senior pilots will "punch out". With a substantial pay raise coming, an equity piece, and a generous DC plan available and not to mention that they would be the most senior members of a the worlds largest airline, is reason enough to hang around. The economy is lagging and medical costs are accelerating, why kiss a 200K job away?This entire comment above is off base. You obviously arent very familiar with the NWA pilot group or the Number of reasons why guys WILL "punch out". Believe it or not SOME NWA pilots dont want to be DAL pilots and they are ready to leave. Many were staying to see what equity or buyouts would be offered. That combined with the ridiculous retirements expenses these pilots will incur if they stay will get many to leave. DALs medical is DOUBLE what they will pay if they leave prior to DCC. Also the generous DC plan you talk about doesnt get "generous" until 2012 for the NWA side. The senior guys still have their pensions so the eventual rise in the DC plan isnt worth much to them or at least thats what i am hearing online.

More food for thought



Superpilot92:

You have no idea what you are talking about!! How long have you been at NWA? You sound very junior and slightly misinformed and unable to read a post.

You said:

Per the DAL side the rumors are that IF the NWA side is at any point "overstaffed" that some of the NWA bottom pilots might be brought over to DAL as in theory "newhires".

No, there are no "rumors" if there were, I would know about some of them and this is NOT one of them.

Have you read the JCBA? No they cannot. Not under this JCBA. If DAL receives aircraft between DCC and SOC, DAL pilots bid a fly them.

Secondly, you stated:

If DAL hired off the street while NWA had furloughs once the SOC is done, which will be sooner than you think imho

Then you refer to the "goat rope" at LCC. What on earth does that have to do with the Single Operating Certificate?

The SOC is a bureaucratic process that can't simply be pushed along because NWA pilots have no where to go. Come on, again, can you answer how long it took LCC to obtain a SOC?

Then lastly you refer back to you premise that DAL will bring over NWA pilots.

I NEVER said NWA would furlough and get brought over to DAL at the bottom. I said some of the bottom guys at the bottom COULD be used at DAL IF pilots are needed.


Really, and I quote:

"Per the DAL side the rumors are that IF the NWA side is at any point "overstaffed" that some of the NWA bottom pilots might be brought over to DAL as in theory "newhires".

I may be missing something, please go to your copy of the JCBA and cut and paste the section that stipulates your position. It does not exist.

you also write:

There are ways around waiting until the SOC before meeting all the efficiencies. Mgmt is working on all of this stuff now.

Yes, the efficiencies were bought by DAL pilots in LOA 19.

I don't need to be "familiar" with NWA pilots psyche. I understand human nature and they won't let pride kick them out the door for the compensation they will reap at DAL. Not to mention a generous sick leave bank still intact.

I suggest you really understand what you throw around here on this forum. You really missed the boat on the cross pollination bridge from DCC to SOC.

I won't give you anymore food for thought, you are too choked and can't swallow anymore...

HIFLYER :

WOW Champ take a deep breath, You have a difference opinion, great thats what this forum is for. No need for personal attacks or childish bickering. Plain and simple you think i am wrong about some things and i think you are wrong about some things, BIG DEAL. If we agreed on everything this forum would be almost pointless. ;)


In the end we will see who is right and wrong. No big deal right? Thanks for your OPINION ;).

In my comments i clearly stated if it was a "Rumor" or if i was talking about "hypothetical" situations. Again this forum is about discussions right? I ensure you i am very informed on the goings on and while some things haven't been proven yet if i am proven wrong i i will be the first to admit it.

oh quick question you keep talking about LOA 19, isnt that null and void once the JPWA is voted in? Your posts seem to indicate you dont think so since you keep talking about how LOA 19 gives the efficiencies etc. Honest question

Again i am up for a healthy debate but i wont get into a childish debate if thats what you're gunning for. Thanks


By the way its been very quiet on the merger front. Something must be up. Whats your guess? SLI going to get negotiated or forced into arbitration?

My guess is Negotiated SLI :D

Super,
I admire your optimism. Lets all hope you are correct in your positive outlook.

Scoop