Need seasoned opinions on sim
07-20-2008, 04:42 PM
#31
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Originally Posted by bryris
...And the ultimate goal for me would be to open my own small accounting practice in 5-6 years. I'd be 32 years old, BUSY AS HELL, but I'd be in charge. Whether the business succeeded or failed would be based on my actions, not the knuckle head moves of airline managements. I could meter my client base to suit my particular goals (more time off or more money), etc.
The latter sounds pretty cool.
I am DEFINITELY getting furloughed in 4-5 months anyway. There is no way around it. At my experience level, no one is hiring. I could go back to flight instruction, and I wouldn't have any problem with that, except for the lack of a quality paycheck. So, whether I like it or not, I am being forced out of professional aviation before long. I might just take it as an opportunity to move on with a different path....
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The latter sounds pretty cool.
I am DEFINITELY getting furloughed in 4-5 months anyway. There is no way around it. At my experience level, no one is hiring. I could go back to flight instruction, and I wouldn't have any problem with that, except for the lack of a quality paycheck. So, whether I like it or not, I am being forced out of professional aviation before long. I might just take it as an opportunity to move on with a different path....
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Good luck
07-20-2008, 05:03 PM
#33
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Originally Posted by SaltyDog
... An accountant who is an airline pilot could give you an edge competing for our tax returns...
07-20-2008, 07:50 PM
#36
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Originally Posted by bryris
Ever since I first started this job, I've been on the fence about it. I love the job, but don't like the lifestyle associated with it. At 26 years old and married, kids are in the not too distant future. I think about living this lifestyle with kids at home, having to commute to and from domicile, job security always questionable, etc, and it'd be a tough situation. Over the last year, I've calculated that I've spent an equivalent of 22 weeks (give or take) of time away from home in hotels/crashpad. My wife is VERY understanding. But, with the current state of things, I am not sure the rewards are worth the sacrifices.
07-21-2008, 08:47 PM
#37
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I was going to respond to your post with my own simulator advice, but from reading the previous posters' comments, I think they've covered just about everything! (AND, I also learned a thing or two about the Sim - thanks guys!!!)
But I do really want to respond to this:
Please do yourself a favor, and at least stick it out for the next 4 months and allow yourself to get furloughed - and have the option of coming back with your seniority number intact - instead of quitting outright.
I know right now you're feeling like you've seen the ugly side of this industry, and you can't imagine volunteering for this amount of BS again. Believe me, I get that... I'm on my 3rd airline in 8 years, I've spent the better part of my career on reserve and 1st year pay, and I'm currently staring down the barrel of a possible 2nd furlough... The chaos, uncertainty, and constantly-on-the-road lifestyle is enough to make anyone clinically insane...
But please consider two things from someone who has been exactly where you are at:
1) As unfathomable as it may seem right now, you may be surprised by how much you eventually miss this job, after a year off from it. Going back to a 9 to 5 job, and seeing the same 4 office walls every day can get surprisingly claustrophobic after having been in this industry...
2) With seniority and time, IT DOES GET BETTER. This industry will always be plagued with issues... But if it's the lifestyle you're worried about - consider this: I just got on with a major in March, and I'm already holding 19 days off a month, and all day trips - I'm home every night.
I acknowledge that you may never look back on this job with the longing that myself and some of my peers did after a year into our furlough... But please consider that you just might, and leave your option open to come back in the event you do... If you quit, you'll become relatively uncurrent and unqualified for the airlines once they do start hiring again, and you'll have an extremely difficult time getting back into the industry. Your recall rights with a furlough will be your ticket back to this career, in the event you want to cash that in......
It's just 4 months... Please give it some thought.
Best wishes.
But I do really want to respond to this:
Originally Posted by bryris
I assume you are referring to my post about getting out. I assure you it has nothing to do with this check ride. Ever since I first started this job, I've been on the fence about it. I love the job, but don't like the lifestyle associated with it.
I know right now you're feeling like you've seen the ugly side of this industry, and you can't imagine volunteering for this amount of BS again. Believe me, I get that... I'm on my 3rd airline in 8 years, I've spent the better part of my career on reserve and 1st year pay, and I'm currently staring down the barrel of a possible 2nd furlough... The chaos, uncertainty, and constantly-on-the-road lifestyle is enough to make anyone clinically insane...
But please consider two things from someone who has been exactly where you are at:
1) As unfathomable as it may seem right now, you may be surprised by how much you eventually miss this job, after a year off from it. Going back to a 9 to 5 job, and seeing the same 4 office walls every day can get surprisingly claustrophobic after having been in this industry...
2) With seniority and time, IT DOES GET BETTER. This industry will always be plagued with issues... But if it's the lifestyle you're worried about - consider this: I just got on with a major in March, and I'm already holding 19 days off a month, and all day trips - I'm home every night.
I acknowledge that you may never look back on this job with the longing that myself and some of my peers did after a year into our furlough... But please consider that you just might, and leave your option open to come back in the event you do... If you quit, you'll become relatively uncurrent and unqualified for the airlines once they do start hiring again, and you'll have an extremely difficult time getting back into the industry. Your recall rights with a furlough will be your ticket back to this career, in the event you want to cash that in......
It's just 4 months... Please give it some thought.
Best wishes.
07-22-2008, 11:32 AM
#38
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Originally Posted by E1Out
I was going to respond to your post with my own simulator advice, but from reading the previous posters' comments, I think they've covered just about everything! (AND, I also learned a thing or two about the Sim - thanks guys!!!)
But I do really want to respond to this:
Please do yourself a favor, and at least stick it out for the next 4 months and allow yourself to get furloughed - and have the option of coming back with your seniority number intact - instead of quitting outright.
I know right now you're feeling like you've seen the ugly side of this industry, and you can't imagine volunteering for this amount of BS again. Believe me, I get that... I'm on my 3rd airline in 8 years, I've spent the better part of my career on reserve and 1st year pay, and I'm currently staring down the barrel of a possible 2nd furlough... The chaos, uncertainty, and constantly-on-the-road lifestyle is enough to make anyone clinically insane...
But please consider two things from someone who has been exactly where you are at:
1) As unfathomable as it may seem right now, you may be surprised by how much you eventually miss this job, after a year off from it. Going back to a 9 to 5 job, and seeing the same 4 office walls every day can get surprisingly claustrophobic after having been in this industry...
2) With seniority and time, IT DOES GET BETTER. This industry will always be plagued with issues... But if it's the lifestyle you're worried about - consider this: I just got on with a major in March, and I'm already holding 19 days off a month, and all day trips - I'm home every night.
I acknowledge that you may never look back on this job with the longing that myself and some of my peers did after a year into our furlough... But please consider that you just might, and leave your option open to come back in the event you do... If you quit, you'll become relatively uncurrent and unqualified for the airlines once they do start hiring again, and you'll have an extremely difficult time getting back into the industry. Your recall rights with a furlough will be your ticket back to this career, in the event you want to cash that in......
It's just 4 months... Please give it some thought.
Best wishes.
But I do really want to respond to this:
Please do yourself a favor, and at least stick it out for the next 4 months and allow yourself to get furloughed - and have the option of coming back with your seniority number intact - instead of quitting outright.
I know right now you're feeling like you've seen the ugly side of this industry, and you can't imagine volunteering for this amount of BS again. Believe me, I get that... I'm on my 3rd airline in 8 years, I've spent the better part of my career on reserve and 1st year pay, and I'm currently staring down the barrel of a possible 2nd furlough... The chaos, uncertainty, and constantly-on-the-road lifestyle is enough to make anyone clinically insane...
But please consider two things from someone who has been exactly where you are at:
1) As unfathomable as it may seem right now, you may be surprised by how much you eventually miss this job, after a year off from it. Going back to a 9 to 5 job, and seeing the same 4 office walls every day can get surprisingly claustrophobic after having been in this industry...
2) With seniority and time, IT DOES GET BETTER. This industry will always be plagued with issues... But if it's the lifestyle you're worried about - consider this: I just got on with a major in March, and I'm already holding 19 days off a month, and all day trips - I'm home every night.
I acknowledge that you may never look back on this job with the longing that myself and some of my peers did after a year into our furlough... But please consider that you just might, and leave your option open to come back in the event you do... If you quit, you'll become relatively uncurrent and unqualified for the airlines once they do start hiring again, and you'll have an extremely difficult time getting back into the industry. Your recall rights with a furlough will be your ticket back to this career, in the event you want to cash that in......
It's just 4 months... Please give it some thought.
Best wishes.
Meanwhile, my updated resumes are taking shape.... in both fields.
07-22-2008, 12:48 PM
#39
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Posts: 888
Originally Posted by bryris
Thank you for that. I will certainly stick it out. I've thought long and hard about it and I do not know what the future holds. I've been sort of down in the dumps about all the uncertainty ahead. However, it does seem that one thing that I can grab onto as a safe and certain good decision is to stick it out until I get my notice.
Meanwhile, my updated resumes are taking shape.... in both fields.
Meanwhile, my updated resumes are taking shape.... in both fields.
07-22-2008, 01:09 PM
#40
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Joined APC: Apr 2008
Posts: 13
I might be late in advising you but you answered it in your last sentence. It is easier the more you fly it and create the type of profile you expect to have at the evail. It will be a peace of cake. Try it on the flight sim on your pc(if you have one) and you will be surprised how much errors you make initially. Good luck!
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