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Old 08-03-2008, 05:03 PM
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So I am sitting here watching the PRM video for recurrent and began to think why doesnt JFK have PRM approach. It seems to me that the problem with JFK is that even though they have several runways they only use 2 at a time, one for landing and one for takeoffs and once in a while they will use 31L KK and 4L/22R for takeoffs but that still means they are only landing on 4R/22L.
If they got PRM's to 4/22 they would be able to land twice as many aircraft and and then use 31L KK for departures.
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Lately it seems that they have been flowing the aircraft pretty well. During the arrival pushes, they'll land 13L & 22L/4R and depart 13R; or land 4s/22s and depart 31LKK.

Then during departure pushes they'll depart 22R/4L &31LKK and land 22L/4R or depart 13R & 22R/4L and land 13L.

I don't believe PRM would work as well here as it does ATL and the others that use it regularly because both aircraft/crews must be PRM certified, and I don't think most of the intl carriers are.
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Lately it seems that they have been flowing the aircraft pretty well.
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Perhaps, because you land twice as many aircraft as you can takeoff? Eventually you run out of gate space.

Also, what kind of impact does this have on Lagarbage and Sewark traffic patterns?

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Old 08-03-2008, 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by cessna157 View Post
I don't believe PRM would work as well here as it does ATL and the others that use it regularly because both aircraft/crews must be PRM certified, and I don't think most of the intl carriers are.
I've flown to KMSP in an Air Force jet and the airplane only had one VHF radio. We simply told ATC that we weren't PRM capable and all they did was leave one hole besides us as we flew our ILS.

It is doable.

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Old 08-03-2008, 06:05 PM
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Actually book answer is you call and get a non prm slot if you msn plan and aren't diverting.....the gray paintjob helps too...
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Actually book answer is you call and get a non prm slot if you msn plan and aren't diverting.....the gray paintjob helps too...
Yes, you have to call first. All of that is stated on the PRM Info page ... but the point was, could non-trained PRM carriers participate and the answer is yes. They still conduct PRM approaches around you but they leave a hole next to you or offset the aircraft infront and behind you (nobody right next to you).

The paint job was white, which helps even more.

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Old 08-03-2008, 06:54 PM
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OSA and Guici?... figures... why take the trng and fit in when the world can revolve 'round ya... The ole gray/white DC-9s fit in... shheeeesh...... ATC is a bit thin these days..capice'?
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The only thing that JFK gives me is a nice surprise in the paycheck on the 15th of every month. And for that brief moment of time, I am happy. Otherwise, it doesn't matter if I go out at 8 am or 8 pm or any time in between it is delay city.
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Reason being is because you can spit from JFK and violate the approach path of both LGA and EWR all in one lugie. That whole area is a huge puzzle piece. You monkey around with one piece (i.e. JFK) and the ripple effect at LGA, EWR and HPN lasts for HOURS.
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