If Russian invasion leads to war how will this affect airlines
08-13-2008, 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by J Dawg
With your logic, you probably also think the US is invading Colombia because we are anti-FARC.
Get your history in order, think for yourself, then we can debate.
08-13-2008, 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by J Dawg
Absolutely correct. They were defeated (are you listening Zapata?), even though they are now back in power. Hopefully not for long.
Ortega was elected fairly. Do you have a problem with free and fair elections and the will of the people? Do you somehow know better what is good for Nicaragua than Nicaraguans?
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08-13-2008, 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Zapata
Incorrect. The Sandinistas have held significant seats in the government (including staff level control of the military) since 1990. The free and fair elections were a victory for the Sandinistas. Hardly a defeat.
From my earlier reply:
“They (Sandinistas) came back to power (through free and fair elections) once the previous government (the one that got Sandinistas booted from power through another set of free and fair elections) screwed up the reforms and people got tired of corruption.”
Originally Posted by Zapata
"Hard core communists?" Well, no. Yeah right, like they were quoting Marx or Mao
. The Sandinistas actually sought help from the US before the Soviets supported them. But the US refused for obvious reasons (it would go against multinational corporate lobby and campaign contributors) All the Sandinistas were doing was fighting for control of their own resources instead of profits being shipped abroad. It had nothing to do with real world communism but if you want to call anything anti-Laissez faire capitalism communist, then I am one too. In reality, it is being too much of a black and white thinker and not to mention, ridiculous to do so.
. The Sandinistas actually sought help from the US before the Soviets supported them. But the US refused for obvious reasons (it would go against multinational corporate lobby and campaign contributors) All the Sandinistas were doing was fighting for control of their own resources instead of profits being shipped abroad. It had nothing to do with real world communism but if you want to call anything anti-Laissez faire capitalism communist, then I am one too. In reality, it is being too much of a black and white thinker and not to mention, ridiculous to do so.So basically Ortega said “we believe in human rights as long as you pay us more than the Russians – if not we believe in communism.” One reason the US never wanted to help out Sandinistas is because at the time they were, just like FARC – ideologues first and foremost, wanted to gain power to further their ideology no matter the cost (even though FARC are more of drug dealers than communists nowadays).
There’s no doubt atrocities have been committed on both sides in the conflict but there’s also no doubt that more people have died in the hands of communists around the world than from any other ideology, including Nazism (which after all if a deranged from of nationalistic socialism). Therefore it’s not surprising the US fought so hard and sometimes dirty to keep that ideology from the Americas.
I find it very hopeful that Ortega has become much more open-minded toward cooperation with other factions even though his speeches are still pretty fiery. I think being voted out of power in the first free and fair elections was an eye opener to him and hopefully it changed him to be a better person. I have no problem with him coming back to power in the latest round of free and fair elections as changing political parties in charge of a country through peaceful means – a.k.a. elections – is very good for a democracy. Now he'll have to deliver on his promises to the people.
Anyways, back to Georgia – Russia conflict and the effects it might have on oil…
08-13-2008, 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Zapata
FARC is a terrorist group, the Sandinistas are not. Geeez! This sums up your knee-jerk reactionary presumptuousness and illustrates that you're pulling things out of the blue that have nothing to do with the context of the discussion (i.e. Panama and Grenada, funny!).
So it is OK for you to use a fictional US invasion of El Salvador as an analogy when the topic is Georgia, but I can't do the same to make a counter point (using Panama, for example)? You display the ultimate hypocricy and double standard.
08-13-2008, 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by J Dawg
So it is OK for you to use a fictional US invasion of El Salvador as an analogy when the topic is Georgia, but I can't do the same to make a counter point (using Panama, for example)? You display the ultimate hypocricy and double standard.
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