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Lighteningspeed 08-10-2008 01:06 PM

If Russian invasion leads to war how will this affect airlines
 
In light of the latest development in which Russians have started a war by invading Georgia (country south of Russia), and if this for some reason leads us into another war (God forbid), how will this affect the airline industry? Any thoughts?

boeingt7 08-10-2008 01:23 PM

well if they've invaded georgia then they're prolly headed towards atlanta which means delta and subsidiaries will now have to fly 30 year old ilyushins and tupolevs.....

ERJ135 08-10-2008 01:25 PM

Not sure but, it is unlikely a major war would develop involving the US or allies. I think the US and the rest of the world would and should bend to Russians. They are a veto power at the UN. Probably best not anger them too much. Also, its not like there invading France of Germany. Technically they really invaded South Ossetia which really isn't part of Georgia. Its kinda of a defacto gov not even internationally recognized. The media other gov's make it out to be an invasion of Georgia Most of the South Ossetians are actually pro russia. In fact this whole thing orginated because of a conflict between russians peace keepers and georgia military in the area. Who knows who fired first. If I were a bettin' man I'd say a cease might be in place by the end of the week. Really tough to say how it would affect oil, and the stock market. When the news broke on Fri Fox News made it out to be the begining of WWIII. There were 2 major oil pipelines distrupted and yet the DOW jumped 302 points and oil fell to 115 a barrel. Kinda crazy but unless Georgia decides to go all out and launch a full scale military invasion to topple Russia I'd say it should be okay.

Raidr17 08-10-2008 01:45 PM


Originally Posted by Lighteningspeed (Post 442096)
In light of the latest development in which Russians have started a war by invading Georgia (country south of Russia), and if this for some reason leads us into another war (God forbid), how will this affect the airline industry? Any thoughts?

It would introduce a pilot shortage as most reservists would be activated. Going to take more than 3 weeks and 3 divisions to beat mother Russia like Iraq. I don't think anything will come of this though.

⌐ AV8OR WANNABE 08-10-2008 02:17 PM

Russia
 
Technically they really invaded South Ossetia which really isn't part of Georgia. Its kinda of a defacto gov not even internationally recognized. The media other gov's make it out to be an invasion of Georgia. Most of the South Ossetians are actually pro russia. In fact this whole thing orginated because of a conflict between russians peace keepers and georgia military in the area. Who knows who fired first.

They ARE part of Georgia AND the South Ossetia de facto government isn't recognized anywhere (except Russia) because the world views that provice as an integral part of Georgia. Russia is trying to change that as they want South Ossetia for themselves.

The main reason a majority of "
South Ossetians" are pro Russian is because most of them are not Ossetians but Russians. When Georgia became a democracy, applied for the EU and NATO membership the Russians got very upset they were losing the influence in the region. So they beefed up the so called "peace keepers" (trippled in size) who are basically Russian army and special ops soldiers who moved to the area right after the Soviet Union fell apart. At the time there was a conflict that the Russians instigated where they forced thousands of Georgians to ‘temporarily’ leave the area to preserve peace. Now we know better - in effect they clensed the area of all Georgians and moved in thousands of Russians into the area in the form of so called “peace keepers.”

Also, the Russian government gave Russian citizenship to anyone in South Ossetia who wished to get one. Imagine if Cuba tried to annex southern Florida and the Cuban government gave automatic Cuban citizenship to any Southern Florida resident - against all international rules but hey this is Russia and they got oil and gas so they can get away with murder.

So basically first they moved in thousands of Russian soldiers calling them 'peace keepers", then they allowed those soldiers to permanently resettle in the area and to bring their families with them while giving them substantial tax incentives. Then they gave Russian citizenship to all South Ossetians (even though they all have Georgian citizenships). Many Ossetians accepted the Russian citizenship because the province is very impoverished and the Russians flooded the area with freebies such as food discounts, free electricity, etc. - All to alienate the province from Georgia even more.

This has happened before. In 1939 the Germans dressed in Polish army uniforms attacked several villages in Poland looking for a pretext to "defend" the German minority in Poland. A few months later Germany invaded Poland and once the whole country was occupied they claimed big parts of the Polish territory as German lands.

Russia is basically repeating the same process. Amazing - the word’s largest country yet they always want more. Some 30 % of Finland’s prewar territory is today occupied by Russia, 10% of Estonia’s and Latvia’s territories are today in Russia as well. Russia still occupies several Japanese islands they captured after the end of WWII.

Throughout the centuries, whether led by a Tsar, a communist leader or a so called democratic president they've always hungered for more land.

I give it 2-4 months before Russia claims that the population of South Ossetia is asking to be incorporated into the Russian Federation and that Russia is allowing that to happen to defend its "citizens.". Then they’ll go after Abhazia (another part of Georgia), Crimea (southeastern part of Ukraine), will force a “volunteer” admission of Belarus into Russia, etc, etc. Putin’s years of training in KGB are now bearing fruit.

mooney 08-10-2008 02:28 PM


Originally Posted by boeingt7 (Post 442103)
well if they've invaded georgia then they're prolly headed towards atlanta which means delta and subsidiaries will now have to fly 30 year old ilyushins and tupolevs.....

Won't be a factor. Patrick Swayze will come out of hiding with 5 or 6 of his high school buddies and take them out well before ATL.

HercDriver130 08-10-2008 02:30 PM

What the last guy said....

Lastest word is that the commies sank a Georgian cruiser.... and have been bombing Georgian airbases NOT in S. Ossetia..... This is the WAR Putin has wanted for years.

Lets not forget that there are alot of Americans living and working in Georgia.... including US Military.

⌐ AV8OR WANNABE 08-10-2008 02:43 PM


Originally Posted by HercDriver130 (Post 442139)
... Lets not forget that there are alot of Americans living and working in Georgia.... including US Military.


Which is yet another reason why Russia is attacking Georgia - to let us know that Georgia may not join EU or NATO and that the oil pipelines HAVE to go through the Russian and not the Georgian territory; and if we say no they’ll make the Georgian territory a Russian territory!

Olympic Games – what a perfect timing to deflect the international public opinion.
:(

⌐ AV8OR WANNABE 08-10-2008 03:05 PM


Originally Posted by mooney (Post 442137)
Won't be a factor. Patrick Swayze will come out of hiding with 5 or 6 of his high school buddies and take them out well before ATL.

I don't think he's in hiding; unfortunately he's in the final stages of fighting for his life due to the pancreatic cancer.

FOXNews.com - Patrick Swayze Diagnosed With Pancreatic Cancer

jet320 08-10-2008 03:48 PM

Again everyone thought the world ended on 9/11, I did not, I now work in Jordan near the conflict, and here, as well as the rest of Europe, nothing has happen, I go to Sudan (Darfur) worst than Georgia, has the world remember, NO, nothing has happen, Oil was around 147 dollars a barrel and people keep on driving, AROUND THE WORLD, and nothing has happen. Hugo Chavez and his circus are ruling South America, and nothing has happen, I really doubt it that a small conflict, will affect how the world turns!


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