Continental Scabs?
 

To any CAL folks out there, how many scabs are actually on your seniority list?

Even one is too many.

But seriously, we're not 'allowed' to talk about it.

If you want to see all of them, current and retired - search under the forum titled 'Union Talk' for 'Scab List.' There is a current list.

Adding more every day it seems like with VJM.

Why in the world would you start a thread like this??? don't you have anything else to talk about??

It would have been really interesting if Northwest had merged with Continental instead of Delta. The way Northwest has treated their pilot SCABS has been truly awesome.

I Jumpseated on Northwest in the early eighties, and I wasn't sure why the cockpit was so quiet. Then the F/O got up to use the blue room. He first packed up his flight case with all his maps and approach plates and headset, then put on his uniform jacket and overcoat, got his hat and then took his flight case and suitcase back to the blue room.

The Captains only comment was that he had learned the hard way.

Joe

There's nothing wrong with this topic. SCABS should be discussed, so pilots can learn not to cross picket lines. To answer the question, I don't know. Too Many! I've heard 300 to 800, which is a big spread. I have the scab list and CAL seniority list, but I don't have the energy and time to put the two together. Many Scabs have had their names changed or use nicknames. It's not easy to match the lists. How many United scabs are there now? How many scabs (CAL/UAL/EAL) got hired at other airlines? It would be nice if someone (like a Union) would track this. They have got away too easy for what they did.

New revised list just out shows 109 left at UAL.

are the New york air guys considered scabs? that was an alter ego airline to continental right?

No; they didn't cross a picket line. They were simply non-union.

Afraid there's a little bit more to it than that.

NY Air was started up by Lorenzo using Texas Air DC-9's. TI Pilots picketed them in New York when they first started up so technically they did cross some sort of line, just not a strike one.

This was at the very beginning of NY Air's history and depending on who you talk to, (TI or NY), they are/aren't scabs.

I think you have to draw a line somewhere. They did not fly "struck" work. There was no strike. If you called any airline pilot a Scab for "taking" flying/airplanes away from another airline, then most of the pilots in the US would be scabs.

Texas International was a cool airline - I liked their livery. Hate Lorenzo though. Muse Air was also a cool airline - kind of like Midwest - really classy service. When oil gets down to $20bbl I am going to buy DC-9's, buy the TI name and paint the planes that way, and start an LCC!

JUMPSEAT PROTECTION LIST MAR 01 (chg 5)

Continental “Preferential Hire” List

The people listed below did not actually cross the picket line. Toward the end of the 1983 strike these folks called the companyand asked to be put on the “Preferential Hire” list to come back to work. The strike ended a short time later and these folks never got the chance to cross the picket line (some ONLY because Lorenzo wanted to make a point and didn’t call them right away, if at
all). They asked to come back to work (strikers be damned!) when called. Some even sued over the issue. Make your own
judgement…

I was perusing this list and low and behold we have one of our "finest" right here at Alaska on this Preferential Hire list! Has there ever been an update to the list past March 01?

I believe he was recently your VP of Flight Ops wasn't he?

He sure was!

Otto. While maybe not struck work, everyone knew what Lorenzo was doing and that was taking resources from TI and giving it to an alter-ego organization in house. He was 'whipsawing' the pilot group and the obvious shot across the bow was that TI was going to shrink while Apple or NY Air (which was first) was going to get TI's assets.

Lorenzo did the same thing when he took over Eastern. He moved or sold assets to for a pittance to other companies he had formed. He sold one of the few assets that ever made money, SODA the Eastern reservation system for pennies on the dollar.

A true dirtbag...

Thanks for being so obvious Frank
 

Lorenzo did the same thing when he took over Eastern. He moved or sold assets to for a pittance to other companies he had formed. He sold one of the few assets that ever made money, SODA the Eastern reservation system for pennies on the dollar.
A true dirtbag...[/quote]
As an Eastern A300 s/o I was doing the walkaround on fine day in IAH next to a CAL A300. A nice new air cart was between our aircraft with a nice new CAL logo sticker. THERE WAS AN EAL STICKER UNDERNEATH! Thats when I decided to bail and go freight(1987). It was not the CAL pilots fault by ANY stretch....it was dirtbag business by Frank and the like.

Agreed 100%, but this is not much different than the airlines and management of today. Especially at the regional level. The pilots are not to blame. I could never call them scabs. Management is a different story, but I use other terms for them. :D

I was just pointing out that the Apple/NY Air guys knew what was happening. And yes, you will always find someone who will do the job for less than you will.

As for management, I was never part of it so I didn't have the big picture from from ground level, the ranks do seem to be over-populated with dirtbags and amoral individuals.

The cycle is almost Biblical though. Some dirtbag is finally ousted and a new guy comes in promising to take everyone to the promised land be it Wolf, Tilton or whomever. The high desire for success and a change creates a momentary period which many consider the honeymoon. Employees grant the new guy/gal a bank account of trust and hope which more often than not, s/he squanders or fails to achieve expected goals. Then, like Moses and the 'children', everyone gets grumpy and wants to go back to the good old days which never existed.

I enjoyed flying the machines but in the last few years the airline industry has changed so much that as much as I miss it (the crews, the machines and the good layvers), I am glad I am no longer there. As one old friend said, "When we started it was a free jet ride to the next party." I said,"It doesn't get better than this." and we were both right.

1996 on my list...