CAL Negotiations
08-15-2008, 05:59 PM
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CAL Negotiations
Should CAL ALPA have on their negotiation committee a member who was heard to say that CAL currently could not afford any improvements to our next contract and to be reasonable in our expectations?
Does it concern you that a person hired between 1983 and 1985, (yes, a Scab), is holding that position as well?
I'm thoroughly concerned that the Pilots currently representing us at the table are suffering from Stockholm Syndrome and forget that they are supposed to be representing us, the Pilots.
Unfortunately this is happening right now with one of our own, and if we don't switch gears, we probably will repeat the fiasco that was Contract '02.
What do you think?
Does it concern you that a person hired between 1983 and 1985, (yes, a Scab), is holding that position as well?
I'm thoroughly concerned that the Pilots currently representing us at the table are suffering from Stockholm Syndrome and forget that they are supposed to be representing us, the Pilots.
Unfortunately this is happening right now with one of our own, and if we don't switch gears, we probably will repeat the fiasco that was Contract '02.
What do you think?
08-15-2008, 06:33 PM
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I think this person should be let go. We need maddogs in there ready to attack if we even hope to get 20% more pay and change the work rules. Sadly, if you look at our past "negotiations" we have always shot ourselves in the foot. I do not know why we don't have a paid professional doing this instead of a potentially well intentioned pilot. However, the bigger question is what do the other negotiating think and why don't they run him/her off? Are the of the same fabric?
08-15-2008, 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by flybynuts
I think this person should be let go. We need maddogs in there ready to attack if we even hope to get 20% more pay and change the work rules. Sadly, if you look at our past "negotiations" we have always shot ourselves in the foot. I do not know why we don't have a paid professional doing this instead of a potentially well intentioned pilot. However, the bigger question is what do the other negotiating think and why don't they run him/her off? Are the of the same fabric?
08-15-2008, 08:22 PM
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I've wondered the same thing.........Instead of sending a bunch of ding-bat pilots that have no idea or training in negotiations in there, why don't we use our dues, hire a pit-bull, executive-eating, hard charging Attorney to go in there and kick some @$$
What we do is like asking a flight attendant to come land the plane because there's low visibility and a nasty crosswind.
What we do is like asking a flight attendant to come land the plane because there's low visibility and a nasty crosswind.
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08-15-2008, 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Pelican
I've wondered the same thing.........Instead of sending a bunch of ding-bat pilots that have no idea or training in negotiations in there, why don't we use our dues, hire a pit-bull, executive-eating, hard charging Attorney to go in there and kick some @$$
08-16-2008, 03:43 AM
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I've been saying that to guys I fly with, and most disagree. Will this pilot group ever learn? I'm voting "NO" until I get a good contract in every area- even the areas that do not apply to me personally. No more screwing the other guy; I got mine mentality.
08-16-2008, 04:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Pelican
I've wondered the same thing.........Instead of sending a bunch of ding-bat pilots that have no idea or training in negotiations in there, why don't we use our dues, hire a pit-bull, executive-eating, hard charging Attorney to go in there and kick some @$$
What we do is like asking a flight attendant to come land the plane because there's low visibility and a nasty crosswind.
What we do is like asking a flight attendant to come land the plane because there's low visibility and a nasty crosswind.
08-16-2008, 04:49 AM
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What's the use? Pilots in the United States will continue taking paycuts anyway. Ten years from now wide body CA will be making as much as European turboprop FO. I have never seen a weaker pilot group than the one in the USA.
08-16-2008, 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Rascal
What's the use? Pilots in the United States will continue taking paycuts anyway. Ten years from now wide body CA will be making as much as European turboprop FO. I have never seen a weaker pilot group than the one in the USA.
08-16-2008, 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by REAL Pilot
Yea, who is going to do the heavy lifting without Delta or United leading the way........
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