Alaska Airlines to cut as many as 165 pilots
09-08-2008, 07:06 AM
#31
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Originally Posted by Moose
If you work at Jetblue, then I would be a bit worried because you have little leverage on anything. Are you supporting the JBPA? If so, good on you! If not, then maybe you should look into a management position because you believe they actually have your best interests at heart!
09-08-2008, 09:27 PM
#32
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Position: 737 FO
Posts: 466
Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob
What makes you think that WB isn't already a management shill? His posts have the taint of troll all over them. Who else but a troll would try to stir up angst in a thread which has nothing to do with their own respective airline.
09-09-2008, 08:11 AM
#33
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Originally Posted by WaterBoarder
I'll take the pay raise and enjoy the furlough protection and buy more beer with all the money I save on union dues. Good luck guys.
As soon as we start hiring again, all you Alaska guys are welcome to interview - we need some of your expertise for our future AK service.
As soon as we start hiring again, all you Alaska guys are welcome to interview - we need some of your expertise for our future AK service.
09-09-2008, 08:29 AM
#34
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Originally Posted by QCappy
It's all just a way to get the old expensive guys to leave now.
09-09-2008, 09:14 AM
#35
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"See what I mean? Troll bait."
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09-09-2008, 12:24 PM
#36
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Originally Posted by tsquare
Where does this kind of quote come from? Does the payscale at AK top out like almost everybody else's at 12 years? So what's the benefit in getting guys to leave? Maybe you will gain a week or so in vacation payout, but does the savings there really offset the costs for training and such? Not throwin rocks... I just find this interesting...
1) Senior guys will want to keep the A plan compared to younger guys
2)Senior guys do have the most vacation and sick leave built up
3)With the MD-80 going away many are sitting around undecided
4)Age 60 and over guys are a big unknown for negotiations
It seems that management is increasing the expected furlough numbers. We have gone from 50 to the latest being 200 furloughs. Management's negotiating tactic of "split and divide" does not seem to be working though.
09-09-2008, 01:52 PM
#37
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Next week we'll be hearing that it's 250-300. I and quite a few others believe that the actual number, if it really occurs, will be in the 50-75 range. The junior guys here have the best attitude I've ever seen. Every single one I've talked to in the bottom 50 has said that if they are furloughed, they do not want a concessionary contract signed, even if management says it will get them off the street sooner. Ford and Harrison is feeding this management team some typical strategy. Keep upping the ante and have folks fearing for their jobs, until they cave. This group has given up so much to a profitable company that nobody is willing to give up more. My guess is we'll be walking sometime in '09.
09-09-2008, 02:19 PM
#38
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Having spent my youth at the airgroup and seen it from the inside I'll say this. I hated the Airgroup but the Alaska pilots are about as unified a group as you can get today. When they get 1/3+ of the pilot group or more to show up for a rally it is very impressive. They will let Ayer off easy.
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