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Glad nobody was hurt. Mother Nature is showing just exactly how big of a b!tch she can be. :eek: Great job AA crew. Happy Holidays everybody :)


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Let's hope I'm wrong but it seems like over the past several years, and my time in the military, aircraft accidents/incidents always happened in 3's. Not sure if I'm the only one that's noticed this or not, but for some strange reason it seems to be the rule and not the exception.

Fly safe,

ranger

The news is wrong. They are playing on the publicity of the Continental accident. Not counting CAL in Denver, this is the third incident in two weeks of airliners dropping a gear in the mud off slippery runways or taxiways.

There's no magic to accidents. It's winter.

It is an old wives tail and everytime there is a mishap we cross our fingers and hope that we can disprove this one again:(

USMCFLYR

Not as good as a young wives tail!

How `bout an "old wive`s tale"?

haha very true

LMAO..... nicely done sir!!! :D

Hate to be the spoiler on this one, but it looks like they attempted a "turning (also called "rolling") takeoff" while entering 22L and lost control. The aircraft left some heinous skid marks just past the 22L numbers (indicating rubber was meeting runway and not sliding on ice) diagonally going off the runway with the nose and left main gear.

From what I've heard, it appears that they entered 22L at a fairly high speed with thrust up before lining up on the runway, hit an icy patch that was at the entrance to the runway and they were unable to align the aircraft during this "rolling takeoff". They then slammed on the brakes as the aircraft was heading off the left side of the runway (again, NOT swerving skid marks but at a straight 45 degree angle) leaving the grossly apparant (for many months to come) skidmarks.

The speed was low anough for the antiskid to be inhibited (thus producing the skidmarks), but had to be high enough prior to that the have the speed to make the skid marks in the first place. They are at least a hundred feet long right at the beginning of the runway and there is no curve to them. They go straight 45 degrees into the snow almost touching the 22L numbers.

Unfortunately, I think THIS incident will be a reminder to us all to both slow down on slippery surfaces and not attempt rolling takeoffs when not aligned with the runway.

eaglefly.... the term "from what i've heard" encompasses a lot of things, but many times "facts" are not one of them. I would say that if you were not there witnessing the whole thing, it would be prudent not to speculate. I have not heard any such story on the incident. I do know that most if not all of our crews are professional enough to not attempt such a maneuver in conditions like that. I also know that the -80, at lighter weights, has a nasty tendency to skid on its very lightly loaded nosewheel. It really does not take very much forward speed for this to happen.

That said, you are absolutely correct in your last paragraph, stating that we all need to be extra prudent in conditions like these.

73

aa, I know you're a staunch defender of your pilot group, but I've witnessed MANY acts of unprofessionalism by AA crews. That being said, I've seen an equally number of such acts by other crews (including Eagle), so I'm not making these comments just because it was AA.

It IS possible for AA pilots to blunder badly (Little Rock comes to mind). The length, direction and location of the skid marks are very telling, but "what I've heard" explaines what I've seen. When the full incident report comes out, we'll see what the experts say. I don't think an unforseen "act of god" will be in the conclusion.

No, actually I am a staunch defender of the facts, regardless of the airline. I know there is always a possibility of "blunderage" (is that a word?) But you just said it best: "when the full report comes out, we'll know." Until then, anyone who comes out and speculates on "what I've been told" is doing just that, speculating, without having been there. Nobody said anything about acts of God - this stuff happens during icy conditions, regardless of taxi speed in many cases. Your comment on this incident without having been there just sounds like you're trying to dramatize what is basically a non-event.