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CO737,3,5,7,8,9 04-21-2006 03:12 AM

Desparate Measures
 
http://www.sptimes.com/2006/04/20/Bu...de__not_.shtml

This would not be a good sign.

LeoSV 04-21-2006 03:26 AM

Interesting. I always thought that flight attendants were supposed to do that anyway after every flight. I guess not though. When I was a server for 4 years, I was required to clean all the tables that I served after every customer, AND at the end of the night after a 10 hour shift. Seems like that should be part of the job in an airplane too. But i'm not a flight attendant, so I don't know.

crewdawg52 04-21-2006 04:27 AM

Let's see if I get this straight.......come in on your own free time and volunteer to clean the aircraft and all you get is a t-shirt? Yea, right. Let's see if their CEO is first in line!

What I do beleive in are F.A's and F/O's picking up trash after a flight and before the next boarding. I've done this many times due to the lack of personnel at certain stations while the "ole bags" just on their butts and flap their lips on a cell phone.

Speed 04-21-2006 04:29 AM

It's OK for the Captain to help out, too.

crewdawg52 04-21-2006 04:38 AM

Giving him the added advantage cause he gets the paper work and on the bus, it takes them awhile to load the flight plan into the MCDU ;)

757Driver 04-21-2006 06:34 AM

Yeah Great,

Perhaps that will lead to the laying off of Aircraft cleaners as well. What a load of crap. Alaska got rid of all their full-time cleaners, caterers, baggage handlers ect... and hired crappy part-time firms to replace them only to have:

1.Unreported fusleage piercing which led to a decompression

2. Gang graffiti in the cargo bins

3. Filthy Airplanes

the list goes on and on and their paying more now to fix the problem. Shortsightedness on a grand scale

IXLR8 04-21-2006 07:14 AM

Gotta agree with 757Driver on this one, NWA (or should I say AMFA) got rid of all of the cleaners at NWA and now the ramp guys are doing it....not sure if they are going to continue or if NWA is going to hire an outside vender....
How many of the MAJORS still have cleaners?

Eric Stratton 04-21-2006 07:30 AM

so now they want us to work for free... please.

when I served I had to clean up afterwards too but at least they still paid me.

as for cleaning inbetween flights, I have enough to do in my 30 minutes so don't count on me to get back their and clean. if I see something on the floor I'll pick it up but I won't be back their sweeping.

mike734 04-21-2006 07:31 AM


Originally Posted by LeoSV
Interesting. I always thought that flight attendants were supposed to do that anyway after every flight. I guess not though. When I was a server for 4 years, I was required to clean all the tables that I served after every customer, AND at the end of the night after a 10 hour shift. Seems like that should be part of the job in an airplane too. But i'm not a flight attendant, so I don't know.

Flight attendants are not there to serve food. They are well trained safety specialists. Can you imagine what the cabin would be like without them? It would be the Jerry Srpinger show every flight. If the company wants them to clean maybe they could start by providing them with decent meals.

Skywriting 04-21-2006 07:48 AM

I wonder how many company officers showed with there cleaning ladys to help in the effort.

SkyBusDriver 04-21-2006 07:58 AM


Originally Posted by CO737,3,5,7,8,9

Pathetic! Rock bottom! The end is near. :(

LeoSV 04-21-2006 08:52 AM


Originally Posted by mike734
Flight attendants are not there to serve food. They are well trained safety specialists. Can you imagine what the cabin would be like without them? It would be the Jerry Srpinger show every flight. If the company wants them to clean maybe they could start by providing them with decent meals.

ok, my bad..

Freightpuppy 04-21-2006 09:35 AM

"But Delta pilot Keith Rosenkranz hoped loyal customers would appreciate the extra efforts by employees and keep doing business with the airline"

This guy needs to put down the crackpipe. Customers don't give a $hit about airline employees efforts or anything else for that matter. All they want is the cheapest fare and to be treated like a sheik for $20. If they gave a crap they wouldn't be such a pain in the a$$ to deal with and would not throw crap on the floor of the airplane like it's a garbage bin. F the passengers.....I am so happy I fly cargo!

Freightpuppy 04-21-2006 09:38 AM


Originally Posted by mike734
It would be the Jerry Srpinger show every flight.

Ha ha ha....I thought it was already!

Skywriting 04-21-2006 12:38 PM


Originally Posted by CO737,3,5,7,8,9

They must have really taken some heat over this managerial brain storm. Here is there responce to this boondoggle.

Delta Air Lines Sets the Record Straight About 'Clean Day'
Friday April 21, 3:03 pm ET
Clean Day initiative is a positive for customers and employees


ATLANTA, April 21, 2006 (PRIMEZONE) -- Earlier this week, Delta Air Lines launched its ``Clean Campaign,'' an initiative that includes increasing the frequency of aircraft deep cleans and completing its on-going program to refurbish aircraft interiors. The initiative was launched with a kick-off event, ``Clean Day,'' which gave employees and leaders the opportunity to work together to better the customer experience. It has been mischaracterized and Delta would like to take the opportunity to correct any inadvertent misreporting and concern this has caused. Specifically:


-- Delta executives, together with Delta employees, kicked
off the Clean Campaign initiative by volunteering to clean
Delta aircraft during overnight shifts earlier this week.
-- Delta is not eliminating its overnight cleaning crews. To
the contrary, the company is increasing the frequency of
aircraft deep cleaning procedures.
-- This is not a cost cutting measure. This is part of an
initiative to underscore Delta's commitment to the
fundamentals of customer service and, in fact, the company
has committed millions of dollars in additional resources
to support the Clean Campaign going forward.
-- As they frequently do, employees asked Delta what they
could do to help improve the customer experience, and
from that inquiry, Clean Day was born.
-- Dozens of Delta leaders throughout the company, including
several executives, also participated in "Clean Day"
activities in New York, Cincinnati, and Salt Lake City.
-- Delta employees have a strong history of working together
and participating in the success of the airline.

Further, below are quotes from employees who participated in the Clean Day events.

``Our airplanes needed our special touch and I was proud to be a part of the Delta team.'' Vanessa Womble (LGA)

``I volunteered to do this out of sheer curiosity. I am fairly new to Delta, and wanted to see what it was like. It sounded fun, and it was! Our customers will notice the difference.'' Eric Schoenbaum (SLC)

``I had a great time and would definitely do it again!'' Sandra Fiallos (LGA)

``This event brought us together.'' Ion Balan (LGA)

deadstick 04-21-2006 02:10 PM

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I can see it now:

Rama 04-21-2006 03:06 PM

Yes loyal employees work for free so senior management can get more bonus pay. What a load of crap! I hope the employees don't lift a finger until all bonuses have been removed.

HSLD 04-21-2006 05:39 PM

"Ahh Peter......Ahh, I'm going to have to go ahead and ask you to come in on Sunday, too... "

http://www.reelwavs.com/movies/office_space/yeahhi.wav

Skywriting 04-21-2006 06:31 PM

You have to wonder what think tank this brainstorm come from.
With this type of decision making by management it's no wonder they have lost 11 billion dollars since 2001.

skualo3 04-21-2006 06:56 PM

Didn’t you get the memo????
Don’t forget the cover sheet...

And I thought I had it bad loading bodies in and out a 30 years old Lear..
My heart goes out to all of you, good luck!

Sk3

Randal 04-21-2006 07:08 PM


Originally Posted by Speed
It's OK for the Captain to help out, too.

:rolleyes: der e goes again dat "speed" alwis wid duh jokes :D

ryane946 04-22-2006 07:28 AM

I have to agree, that idea is about the dumbest idea I have ever heard. Period. It will never work. No one would ever volunteer.


With that said, I have to respond to some earlier posts about "outsourcing" cabin cleaning. I don't know about other airlines, but I know at United, cabin cleaners are covered under the mechanics union, and it is not unusual for a janitor to be making $40,000 a year. To me that is rediculous, and I have no problem with outsourcing those jobs.

But trying to get people to do that job for free..... hahaha. Ya right!

RedeyeAV8r 04-22-2006 09:23 AM


Originally Posted by ryane946
but I know at United, cabin cleaners are covered under the mechanics union, and it is not unusual for a janitor to be making $40,000 a year. To me that is rediculous, and I have no problem with outsourcing those jobs.!

I suppose you wouldn't have a problem with outsourcing pilot jobs either?

That is the problem with what is happening in America........................
Any labor (actually many white collar jobs too) job with pay and benefits above poverty levels are being outsourced to lower wages with no benefits.............often to "Guest workers" many of them undocumented...................Get the picture??


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