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ratsnrip 01-04-2009 03:05 PM

Jetcap37=Part135. He is pilot, gate & ticket agent, baggage handler and flight attendant all rolled into one! He must be great at it and expects you to do it too!

tsquare 01-04-2009 06:58 PM


Originally Posted by Jetcap37 (Post 530645)
Nope, probably not, just like you and most others don't give a rat's @ss about all the other paying customers either. And that right there is the biggest problem in US aviation.

That's a pretty broad brush statement. Actually I don't even know why I am typing this, because iyour post is obvious flamebait. Moderators? This gentleman needs to be banished as he has nothing constructive to add to this forum.

bigdaddie 01-04-2009 07:06 PM

Frankly, when we started saying the FA's are here for "your safety" is when I noticed "your service" going to ****.

Bring it on

nfnsquared 01-04-2009 07:58 PM

In all fairness, who on this board is a neutral, objective observer as far as customer service is involved? Certainly not any 121 pilots. Easy now, just hear me out.... As a passenger, you're more than likely singled out (as I would expect you to be) for extra attention and you may not experience what the rest of us coach passengers do.

To me, the front end of my customer service experience involves interaction with the check-in desk agents, the gate agents, and the flight attendants. As a military pilot, I always try to say "hello" to the pilot team on the way in and/or out, but I don't particularly interact or see their behavior or attitude displayed as they go about their job like I do with the other airline employees.

In the last two years, I have flown commercial fairly extensively both CONUS and overseas (Europe, Asia, Africa) as part of my additional duty for the AF. In my experiences, the overall employee attitude has dropped noticeably. It's clearly evident that airline employees across the board are not as happy as they once were and unfortunately this affects customer service. Again, please remember that I'm relating my overall experience. There have been some fantastic employees who went above and beyond the call to help me or other fellow passengers.

In addition, I would have to say that the decline in attitude and customer service is noticeably greater among US based carriers than overseas carriers. It's not huge, but it is noticeable.

Due to the amount of flying I've done, now I pretty much get to fly first class. I hate to admit it, but I dread ever having to go back to coach in these current times.

Don't be ****ed, I'm just offering my opinion based on my experiences. Take it for what it's worth or sh!tcan it if you want. Someday I hope to be sitting in the right or left seat with some of you guys/gals, but I'm really dismayed by what's happening to the whole industry. It's sad to me to see this and I hope for everyone's sake that things get better!

dojetdriver 01-04-2009 08:11 PM


Originally Posted by nfnsquared (Post 530855)
In all fairness, who on this board is a neutral, objective observer as far as customer service is involved? Certainly not any 121 pilots. Easy now, just hear me out.... As a passenger, you're more than likely singled out (as I would expect you to be) for extra attention and you may not experience what the rest of us coach passengers do.

To me, the front end of my customer service experience involves interaction with the check-in desk agents, the gate agents, and the flight attendants. As a military pilot, I always try to say "hello" to the pilot team on the way in and/or out, but I don't particularly interact or see their behavior or attitude displayed as they go about their job like I do with the other airline employees.

In the last two years, I have flown commercial fairly extensively both CONUS and overseas (Europe, Asia, Africa) as part of my additional duty for the AF. In my experiences, the overall employee attitude has dropped noticeably. It's clearly evident that airline employees across the board are not as happy as they once were and unfortunately this affects customer service. Again, please remember that I'm relating my overall experience. There have been some fantastic employees who went above and beyond the call to help me or other fellow passengers.

In addition, I would have to say that the decline in attitude and customer service is noticeably greater among US based carriers than overseas carriers. It's not huge, but it is noticeable.

Due to the amount of flying I've done, now I pretty much get to fly first class. I hate to admit it, but I dread ever having to go back to coach in these current times.

Don't be ****ed, I'm just offering my opinion based on my experiences. Take it for what it's worth or sh!tcan it if you want. Someday I hope to be sitting in the right or left seat with some of you guys/gals, but I'm really dismayed by what's happening to the whole industry. It's sad to me to see this and I hope for everyone's sake that things get better!

Fully understood. Couple things to consider. You should see how some employees treat OTHER airline employees. Especially when DH'ing.

Also, it seems if just about EVERY industry that deals with the public on such a giant scale has had declining customer service for years. Just like the airlines.

SR22 01-04-2009 09:06 PM

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JoeyMeatballs 01-05-2009 04:46 AM


Originally Posted by dojetdriver (Post 530868)
Fully understood. Couple things to consider. You should see how some employees treat OTHER airline employees. Especially when DH'ing.

Also, it seems if just about EVERY industry that deals with the public on such a giant scale has had declining customer service for years. Just like the airlines.

I think its just a CAL & XJT thing, not the Pilot's but by golly some of the CAL FA's and Gate Agents treat Express employees like trash, unbelievable..........:(

Disclaimer: I have seen many CAL Gate agents & FA go above and beyond for me as well, but man down there in IAH there is this one old miserable little man that is like the SOUP NAZI of Gate Agents......

dojetdriver 01-05-2009 06:15 AM


Originally Posted by SAABaroowski (Post 530962)
I think its just a CAL & XJT thing, not the Pilot's but by golly some of the CAL FA's and Gate Agents treat Express employees like trash, unbelievable..........:(

Disclaimer: I have seen many CAL Gate agents & FA go above and beyond for me as well, but man down there in IAH there is this one old miserable little man that is like the SOUP NAZI of Gate Agents......

You ever flown UAX? It's not just a CAL/XJT thing.

tsquare 01-05-2009 07:24 AM


Originally Posted by nfnsquared (Post 530855)
In all fairness, who on this board is a neutral, objective observer as far as customer service is involved? Certainly not any 121 pilots. Easy now, just hear me out.... As a passenger, you're more than likely singled out (as I would expect you to be) for extra attention and you may not experience what the rest of us coach passengers do.

To me, the front end of my customer service experience involves interaction with the check-in desk agents, the gate agents, and the flight attendants. As a military pilot, I always try to say "hello" to the pilot team on the way in and/or out, but I don't particularly interact or see their behavior or attitude displayed as they go about their job like I do with the other airline employees.

In the last two years, I have flown commercial fairly extensively both CONUS and overseas (Europe, Asia, Africa) as part of my additional duty for the AF. In my experiences, the overall employee attitude has dropped noticeably. It's clearly evident that airline employees across the board are not as happy as they once were and unfortunately this affects customer service. Again, please remember that I'm relating my overall experience. There have been some fantastic employees who went above and beyond the call to help me or other fellow passengers.

In addition, I would have to say that the decline in attitude and customer service is noticeably greater among US based carriers than overseas carriers. It's not huge, but it is noticeable.

Due to the amount of flying I've done, now I pretty much get to fly first class. I hate to admit it, but I dread ever having to go back to coach in these current times.

Don't be ****ed, I'm just offering my opinion based on my experiences. Take it for what it's worth or sh!tcan it if you want. Someday I hope to be sitting in the right or left seat with some of you guys/gals, but I'm really dismayed by what's happening to the whole industry. It's sad to me to see this and I hope for everyone's sake that things get better!

You are probably right in many ways, that I do not dispute. I will offer this though. We as US employees not only have to fight our company, we have to fight the government. Example: I was in Italy once (Don't remember which airport.. I think VCE) and there was a huge commotion among the passengers. I heard one of them say "The Alitalia Flight Attendants just called a strike" So all those pax were scrambling for another flight. The interesting thing was that the Italians were not all that ****ed about the event. It is a somewhat accepted occurrance there. We, as US corporations are afforded no such luxury. So... sure the employees are becoming surly. We have no recourse to fight the company on our own because of that damned RLA. If we can get the gubmint out of our business, we can be a little more successful in controlling our own destiny. JMHO

ExAF 01-05-2009 10:45 AM


Originally Posted by Jetcap37 (Post 530645)
Nope, probably not, just like you and most others don't give a rat's @ss about all the other paying customers either. And that right there is the biggest problem in US aviation.

Didn't say I don't care about my customer's service. Like Johnso, I frequently get nice comments from the pax regarding the nice flight, great landing, etc... I just don't give a rat's @ss what a doosh bag flame baiter like you thinks about the industry's customer service.


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