American's Hiring Plans
11-29-2006, 08:09 PM
#41
Organizational Learning
Joined APC: Nov 2005
Position: Directly behind the combiner
Posts: 4,948
Originally Posted by fecav8r
Hey Tony, how many people can you put on one ignore list?
All of 'em.
This message is hidden because av8r4aa is on your ignore list.
If only we could use more than 3 SMILEYS!!!!!!!
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12-01-2006, 08:33 PM
#42
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2006
Posts: 945
Originally Posted by CE750
oh.. what's become of the profession.... woe is me. 
Pilot shortage? Hell no. QUALIFIED pilot shortage? You bet.
12-01-2006, 09:36 PM
#43
On Reserve
Joined APC: Nov 2006
Position: FO
Posts: 12
Originally Posted by shackone
No kidding!!
Security? Don't bank on it for most situations.
Pay? Not significantly better on average. A 10 year USAF Captain, married, and on flight status will bring home a pretty good salary...somewhere around $81000. Them's not peanuts.
Retirement? Not that much there anymore. That same Captain who retires as a LtCol after a 20 year career will get $42000 a year...forever. And not have spent one dime for it. He'll be about 43 years old.
Schedule? All things said, it's likely the civvie route still wins here.
Upgrade? Guys in heavies upgrade to 'Captain' quicker in the military. Fighter/ IP guys were always Captains.
Security? Don't bank on it for most situations.
Pay? Not significantly better on average. A 10 year USAF Captain, married, and on flight status will bring home a pretty good salary...somewhere around $81000. Them's not peanuts.
Retirement? Not that much there anymore. That same Captain who retires as a LtCol after a 20 year career will get $42000 a year...forever. And not have spent one dime for it. He'll be about 43 years old.
Schedule? All things said, it's likely the civvie route still wins here.
Upgrade? Guys in heavies upgrade to 'Captain' quicker in the military. Fighter/ IP guys were always Captains.
Additional duties i.e. being a secretary in some form or fashion pushing meaningless paperwork around (in a paperless air force) so that you can punch that next square for your next promotion that you probably had to stab 3-4 guys in the back to get
Being deployed for at least half the life of any children you may wish to have or worse wished you could have had except for the fact that your wife left you while you were off fighting a second war for the good of mankind
The three year mandatory desk job (staff tour) necessary to make it past the rank of major....wow were in the big bucks now....
The lovely accomodations you may expect to stay in i.e. a tent with twelve other guys for six months where you can obtain quality crew rest because we know in the military safety is paramount...
The list could go on and on and on.........you can keep it
been there done that...got the **** out!
12-02-2006, 07:00 AM
#44
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2006
Posts: 394
Originally Posted by harleypilot
You shade the TRUTH about the military life pal....did you mention:
Additional duties i.e. being a secretary in some form or fashion pushing meaningless paperwork around (in a paperless air force) so that you can punch that next square for your next promotion that you probably had to stab 3-4 guys in the back to get
Additional duties i.e. being a secretary in some form or fashion pushing meaningless paperwork around (in a paperless air force) so that you can punch that next square for your next promotion that you probably had to stab 3-4 guys in the back to get
If you 'stabbed anybody in the back to get promoted', shame on you.
Originally Posted by harleypilot
Being deployed for at least half the life of any children you may wish to have or worse wished you could have had except for the fact that your wife left you while you were off fighting a second war for the good of mankind
What has always been this way for many in the airline business is exactly what you talking about...50% of the time away from home on trips...and until one gets based where one lives, it will always be that way. If that person is junior, forget about holidays such as Xmas...
Originally Posted by harleypilot
The three year mandatory desk job (staff tour) necessary to make it past the rank of major....wow were in the big bucks now....
Originally Posted by harleypilot
The lovely accomodations you may expect to stay in i.e. a tent with twelve other guys for six months where you can obtain quality crew rest because we know in the military safety is paramount...
Originally Posted by harleypilot
The list could go on and on and on.........you can keep it
been there done that...got the **** out!
been there done that...got the **** out!
12-02-2006, 08:25 AM
#45
On Reserve
Joined APC: Nov 2006
Position: FO
Posts: 12
Originally Posted by shackone
No, I didn't. 'Paperwork' comes with advancement. If someone thinks a military flying career is only going to be spent slipping the surly bonds, that person needs to grow up.
If you 'stabbed anybody in the back to get promoted', shame on you.
If you 'stabbed anybody in the back to get promoted', shame on you.
Originally Posted by shackone
The current level of deployments hopefully will end soon. It hasn't always been this way.
What has always been this way for many in the airline business is exactly what you talking about...50% of the time away from home on trips...and until one gets based where one lives, it will always be that way. If that person is junior, forget about holidays such as Xmas...
What has always been this way for many in the airline business is exactly what you talking about...50% of the time away from home on trips...and until one gets based where one lives, it will always be that way. If that person is junior, forget about holidays such as Xmas...
What friggin planet have you been living on the last 15 years?? There have been deployments to the sandbox or bosnia nonstop...I guess you were lucky enough to have that "staff tour" out of harms way and home with your family every night. Stay tuned for that "Hopefull" ending!!!
Being gone 50% of the year in one shot or taking a couple of short trips throughout the month....let's see, boy that's a hard choice!
Originally Posted by shackone
A staff job still includes flight pay AFAIK.
At best your looking at what, 650 extra a month?? I get that with one extended day of overtime...sounds like your comparing apples to watermelons.
Originally Posted by shackone
What meets your expectations...a Holiday Inn built for every deployment?
And I get an MRE to eat on top of that!!
Originally Posted by shackone
Sounds like you did everyone a favor.
12-02-2006, 08:27 AM
#46
On Reserve
Joined APC: Nov 2006
Position: FO
Posts: 12
To the other military guys who might read this, sorry for the dispute, just trying to give the unshaded story of what you might expect in today's military. Some people need reminding.....
Last edited by harleypilot; 12-02-2006 at 08:34 AM.
12-02-2006, 10:09 AM
#48
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2006
Posts: 394
Originally Posted by harleypilot
It sounds like you have the "advancement" side of the coin figured out, once again proving my point of how far the military has slipped...used to be we focused on aviation...and perfecting THOSE skills.
12-02-2006, 01:57 PM
#49
Line Holder
Joined APC: Apr 2006
Position: 737 F/O
Posts: 71
Originally Posted by grumman
AA's pilot group is very young, compared to CO/DL/US/NW and others. The average age of their pilots is in the mid/late-40s. There will be nowhere near 80% retiring in the near future, trust me.
Who says Delta is old - all the old guys retired. We have over 6000 on the seniority list and only about 700 over 50 - everyone else retired early and took their lump sum which accelerated the termination of the pension plan due to liquidity issues. Delta is recalling 200 in 2007 (20-30/month starting in February) and there are only 158 furloughed pilots that haven't been offered recall yet. Tell me there aren't a bunch of guys that won't jump at the chance to work at Delta over a regional (or from a regional). Our contract is up in 2009 (we also have snap back provisions based on profitability). Not happy with what I lost but still better than some.
12-02-2006, 02:26 PM
#50
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: Brown 747-400
Posts: 524
Originally Posted by HotMamaPilot
you are clearly an idiot. Obviously you are not a pilot and are only a wannabee. This isn't the 1970's...kids no longer smile at airline pilots. And as for the dream: my husband lost his pension. Is that part of "the dream", you moronic idiot?
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