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Single Seniority List Survey
Lets see what people think. Be open and honest, include comments:
Thanks. I'll publish the results once we have a few hundred responses. Seniority list survey Please give this a bump if it falls off the page. |
Good survey, I wish ALPA had enough sense to do this survey and see what we wanted. This should be stickied to the top for a month because it would be good to see the results from about 500 or so people.
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Not gonna happen because the companies have commuter pilots locked into contracts with different expiration dates from their majors. There's no incentive for the companies to do it and a majority of the major ALPA unions (DAL, NWA, UAL, US Airways) have been giving away sub-100 seat scope, not trying to get it back.
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Originally Posted by Wheels up
(Post 552021)
Not gonna happen because the companies have commuter pilots locked into contracts with different expiration dates from their majors. There's no incentive for the companies to do it and a majority of the major ALPA unions (DAL, NWA, UAL, US Airways) have been giving away sub-100 seat scope, not trying to get it back.
Personally, I think that we should bring *all* flying by a company (whether AA, United, Delta or whoever) in house. Less whipsawing employee groups against each other, better product for the customer and more seamless operation. The "regional" Captain position on a EMB-175 being given away today, 15 years ago, was a Captain position at a major (think DC-9-15). |
Great survey, Bucking Bar. Addresses key questions.
I am all for it as other foreign carriers such as Air Canada, and Lufthansa have been doing it for years. ie. At Air Canada, all pilots flying for Air Canada are under a single mainline seniority list. Thus no mainline pilot jobs are farmed out like it is in the US. I hope it happens since it would jumpstart my flying career but at this point I have a serious doubt this will ever happen here mainly because the DAL and other major carrier management is unlikely to agree to it for cost reasons. Having said that, however, if you can make a convincing argument with numbers to prove that having all pilots flying for DAL come under a single seniority list for DAL, regardless of the size of the jet, will reduce cost to the DAL management, maybe you can pull this off. |
I'm not trying to "pull anything off." The goal of the survey is just to learn what you think.
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
(Post 552039)
The majority opinion on the Delta side is that outsourcing is good for the pay and career of mainline pilots.
Say WHAT?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!? :mad: |
Deleted reply in deference to tsquare's concern.
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Not going to happen in the US. A single seniority list favors pilots not management. The airline will do everything it can to stop a single seniority list. Any effort to complete a single list will fail without a rock solid union effort by all pilots seeking it.
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
(Post 552049)
I edited that post, but...
Isn't that the logical conclusion based on the fact that Delta pilots keep ratifying these outsourcing deals? The NWA pilots voted for the JPWA with an 80% margin. Very few of us voted against this. When one Delta pilot stuck his head up on the ALPA board and advocated improved scope, he got his head chopped off. Yet, no one stepped up to argue with the logic that "we don't want flying we don't own" and the idea that getting flying back costs mainline pilots to bring RJ pilots to parity. Given the apparent reluctance to upset the status quo, it is logical to assume the majority like it that way. But that's the reason for the survey, to see what people think. |
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