My letter of response to Delta union Reps
02-16-2009, 12:13 PM
#101
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Originally Posted by Arnold Poon
Can someone explain to me how some how some regional smuck spending 17 hrs. in KMOT or KJAN for their overnight is stealing a mainline 747 CA position? Doesn't the economics of this make it better for mainline?
02-16-2009, 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
Herc,
I don't think it's a matter of superiority. I think it is more a matter of career expectations/earnings. A senior regional CA who has no intention of leaving has far less career expectations/earnings then the most jr guy on the mainline list. That really goes for ANY regional pilot who has yet to leave. Regardless of their intentions/desires to leave their respective regional, they aren't there yet. It would be very unfair to do anything more then a staple with fences around the RJs to protect the QOL for the regional lifers. IMHO.
I don't think it's a matter of superiority. I think it is more a matter of career expectations/earnings. A senior regional CA who has no intention of leaving has far less career expectations/earnings then the most jr guy on the mainline list. That really goes for ANY regional pilot who has yet to leave. Regardless of their intentions/desires to leave their respective regional, they aren't there yet. It would be very unfair to do anything more then a staple with fences around the RJs to protect the QOL for the regional lifers. IMHO.
Here at ASA, we have an RJ instructor who was at ASA over 20 years ago....then left to do tours at both Eastern and PanAm....then came back to ASA after their demise...What are his "career expectations"? Can anyone define "career expectations"? Is there an ALPA definition?
02-16-2009, 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Joemerchant
Jonso29,
Here at ASA, we have an RJ instructor who was at ASA over 20 years ago....then left to do tours at both Eastern and PanAm....then came back to ASA after their demise...What are his "career expectations"? Can anyone define "career expectations"? Is there an ALPA definition?
Here at ASA, we have an RJ instructor who was at ASA over 20 years ago....then left to do tours at both Eastern and PanAm....then came back to ASA after their demise...What are his "career expectations"? Can anyone define "career expectations"? Is there an ALPA definition?
That's the way this industry works. He knew it when he started. Unfortunately, some aren't dealt as good a hand as others. If he is back at ASA then as of now his career expectations are to never fly anything larger then a 76 seat jet because that is all ASA has. It's plain & simple.
02-16-2009, 06:58 PM
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Stapling regional pilots may not be fair to a few, but to the majority of regional pilots it would be an improvement in career. Especially if it is done in the 2012 time frame when retirements are high and one can assume the economy is on a rebound. I don't even think there should be a fence. Just let a regional captain maintain his pay until he reaches an equivalent hourly pay
02-16-2009, 06:59 PM
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I'm not sure he would appreciate being made an example of on a web board. Joe, you must refrain from using your "friends" to make your points.
It brings up the question, was he one of the Eastern pilots working for the carrier while its pilots were on strike?
It brings up the question, was he one of the Eastern pilots working for the carrier while its pilots were on strike?
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02-16-2009, 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
That's the way this industry works. He knew it when he started. Unfortunately, some aren't dealt as good a hand as others. If he is back at ASA then as of now his career expectations are to never fly anything larger then a 76 seat jet because that is all ASA has. It's plain & simple.
2. So we have to simply live with the "hand we are dealt"...? Career expectations boil down to "luck"? Is that in the ALPA merger policy? I can't find it....maybe you can point it out....
3. His career expectations at ASA are now 76 seats....They were 30 seats when he left the first time....Those 76 seats are threatened by his fellow "brothers"....
4. Looks like you are a Northwest pilot....Riddle me this Batman....You have pilots at Northwest (now Delta) who hired on as Metro pilots with Southern....They flew 19 seat turbo-props and the biggest airplane they had at the time was the DC-9....Now they are Delta pilots without having ever applied or interviewed anywhere else....What are their "career expectations"?
Starting to see the problem with your "plain and simple" yet?
02-16-2009, 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
As an RJ instructor, does he fly the even jet?
If he is a Line Check Airman he does.
If it is who I think he is, he would not want to be held out as an example. He is a very cool dude. Not THE DUDE, or the Duder'ino or his Dudeness, but still a Dude in his own right.
If he is a Line Check Airman he does.
If it is who I think he is, he would not want to be held out as an example. He is a very cool dude. Not THE DUDE, or the Duder'ino or his Dudeness, but still a Dude in his own right.
02-16-2009, 07:19 PM
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Joe,
Yes, to some degree that is how it works. Some bankers went to work for Lehman Brothers and some went to work for Goldman. You live with the choices you make. It is not within a union's ability to equalize everyone, although they might try.
ALPA merger policy recognizes the status quo and seeks to preserve it to avoid windfalls.
Even you must admit a job at Gulfstream paying for BE1900 time is not the same as your job. Should a senior Gulfstream guy leap frog you?
Again, was he one of "those" Eastern pilots. There were a handful of them at ASA. If so, his career did not follow a typical path to say the least. In any event, I really do suggest you find another way of making your points without finding personal examples....
People could do the same to you and refrain from doing so... maybe there is something to that.
Yes, to some degree that is how it works. Some bankers went to work for Lehman Brothers and some went to work for Goldman. You live with the choices you make. It is not within a union's ability to equalize everyone, although they might try.
ALPA merger policy recognizes the status quo and seeks to preserve it to avoid windfalls.
Even you must admit a job at Gulfstream paying for BE1900 time is not the same as your job. Should a senior Gulfstream guy leap frog you?
Again, was he one of "those" Eastern pilots. There were a handful of them at ASA. If so, his career did not follow a typical path to say the least. In any event, I really do suggest you find another way of making your points without finding personal examples....
People could do the same to you and refrain from doing so... maybe there is something to that.
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