My letter of response to Delta union Reps
02-12-2009, 05:40 AM
#21
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Originally Posted by Arnold Poon
Can someone explain to me how some how some regional smuck spending 17 hrs. in KMOT or KJAN for their overnight is stealing a mainline 747 CA position? Doesn't the economics of this make it better for mainline?
02-12-2009, 05:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Superpilot92
I emailed my reps and told them we dont need people leading our MEC and the largest pilot group in the world if they feel its ok to continue to outsource OUR jobs. If any one of our elected reps dont feel its important to represent the entire pilot group then they should be recalled. If moak is acting alone and making decisions about our pilot group without incorporating the rest of our reps then he should be recalled immediately.
02-12-2009, 05:50 AM
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Perhaps there is something that comes out of a conversation like this. Maybe he's right - what do the widebody pilots care? Why is ALPA aligned as LECs/MECs that represent each base and the whole. What if, to best represent each pilot group at an ALPA carrier, they had a local council for an airframe or "# of seats lifted". That way, the guys that are getting the shaft have a clear unified voice, rather than being at some low level in Los Angeles, for example....
02-12-2009, 05:52 AM
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Originally Posted by cencal83406
That's exactly the problem - the guys flying the 747s can't see this (or now they can!). They think this outsourcing won't touch them. Meanwhile, the guys flying the smaller lift at mainline have slowly seen their routes reduced while regionals (where I'm at) see their routes increased and lengthened, adding seats (and for that matter, jets). Regional is a commuter. It should be used on short segments..... if at all.
02-12-2009, 05:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Arnold Poon
The only thing that widebody pilots worry about outsourcing their jobs is open skies or another SLI award.
I stand by my idea. Change the LECs into aircraft or seat # specific units. There may be more of them - but perhaps its time to have more representation at the meetings for each pilot represented.
And.... you can't integrate regionals. Staple is the only fair solution. Why? Because, I was hired October 2007 at my regional. I had the qualifications to work AT a regional. Why should I leapfrog a guy hired in January 2008 at a major, who had the qualifications to go to a major? I shouldn't! I would be lucky enough to be making the list with a different amount of experience.
02-12-2009, 05:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Arnold Poon
The only thing that widebody pilots worry about outsourcing their jobs is open skies or another SLI award.
02-12-2009, 06:00 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
I smell an RJDC Lover. 
The RJDC told their members that SLI would go by paycheck, or equipment type which would result in a staple. Their one SLI presentation had ASA and Comair joining by DOH, then stapled on the bottom of the Delta list.
Guess who made a presentation to Collective Bargaining Committee in October 2008? They presented the following risks factors which face us:
- Left over bargaining
- Scope used as bargaining capital
Last edited by Bucking Bar; 02-12-2009 at 06:28 AM.
02-12-2009, 06:01 AM
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Originally Posted by cencal83406
Are you a widebody pilot? Do *you* care? And if not, why don't you?
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