View Poll Results: Flowdown Options?
I'll take any spot, please sir...
24
24.74%
I'll go if I can get any seat in XXX city
4
4.12%
I might go depending on...
13
13.40%
I'll only go if I can have my hand on the tiller
36
37.11%
No shot
14
14.43%
Ha, I'm too senior to worry about such things!
6
6.19%
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Unofficial Delta to Compass Flowdown Poll
#1
Unofficial Delta to Compass Flowdown Poll
Lets hope that things don't come to this, but I thought it'd be interesting to see what junior folks are thinking about Compass if Delta would happen to furlough (and I'm really bored on an overnight).
#2
Banned
Joined APC: Feb 2008
Position: The Beginnings
Posts: 1,317
I'll happily flow down, but only if it makes economic sense.
Commuting to/from a new domicile to sit right seat and make $23k doesn't. However, for a left seat spot, it might make a semi-decent port in a storm.
Commuting to/from a new domicile to sit right seat and make $23k doesn't. However, for a left seat spot, it might make a semi-decent port in a storm.
#3
Being a senior Compass pilot I can see how someone would want the protection of a flow down. I have one topic i would like to discuss. Since i went to Compass before NWA hired and actually was told that the way to NWA was thru Compass i understand my fate. I do have questions about the whole merger.
Does anybody find it ironic that I have been paying ALPA dues to NWA lec/mec 1 for almost two years. Supposidly i am represented by the NWA union but for some reason I have no idea about my future after the merger. Not even consideration. Talk about taxation without representation. I easily could have gone to NWA when they started to hire unfortunatly i had one thing working against me I was in Montreal finishing up my training for Compass (obviously NWA won't consider a Compass pilot for NWA mainline until there 30 months are up)
I can deal with a furlough if I have a seniorty number or new i had a job at Delta but the whole idea of just getting kicked out of my job for not even be represented by my union is absolutly hilarious.
Again I don't mind the whole talk of furlough but some consideration to those of us at Compass who have been paying dues to the Mainline from day 1 While others who were hired at NWA after us still don't pay dues to the union.. Kind of weird????
Everybody says you got to keep your flow thru. Really it was in our contract. Was NWA MEC going to negiotate away my Contract at Compass on my behalf? They probably tried but unfortunatly we have our own contract at Compass which is binding and guarenteed us a flow thru at NWA. If they did not want to guarentee the flow thru they would have had to negotiate it out of our contract. So far I have seen more support from the Delta guys they NWA guys concerning our fate. Just a few observations from the Compass side.
Does anybody find it ironic that I have been paying ALPA dues to NWA lec/mec 1 for almost two years. Supposidly i am represented by the NWA union but for some reason I have no idea about my future after the merger. Not even consideration. Talk about taxation without representation. I easily could have gone to NWA when they started to hire unfortunatly i had one thing working against me I was in Montreal finishing up my training for Compass (obviously NWA won't consider a Compass pilot for NWA mainline until there 30 months are up)
I can deal with a furlough if I have a seniorty number or new i had a job at Delta but the whole idea of just getting kicked out of my job for not even be represented by my union is absolutly hilarious.
Again I don't mind the whole talk of furlough but some consideration to those of us at Compass who have been paying dues to the Mainline from day 1 While others who were hired at NWA after us still don't pay dues to the union.. Kind of weird????
Everybody says you got to keep your flow thru. Really it was in our contract. Was NWA MEC going to negiotate away my Contract at Compass on my behalf? They probably tried but unfortunatly we have our own contract at Compass which is binding and guarenteed us a flow thru at NWA. If they did not want to guarentee the flow thru they would have had to negotiate it out of our contract. So far I have seen more support from the Delta guys they NWA guys concerning our fate. Just a few observations from the Compass side.
Last edited by Vikz09; 02-17-2009 at 04:29 PM.
#5
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Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: B757/767
Posts: 13,088
I was thinking the same thing Satchip. What's the point when you can find something else that makes as much AND lets you be home everynight?
#6
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Joined APC: May 2007
Posts: 80
Being a senior Compass pilot I can see how someone would want the protection of a flow down. I have one topic i would like to discuss. Since i went to Compass before NWA hired and actually was told that the way to NWA was thru Compass i understand my fate. I do have questions about the whole merger.
Does anybody find it ironic that I have been paying ALPA dues to NWA lec/mec 1 for almost two years. Supposidly i am represented by the NWA union but for some reason I have no idea about my future after the merger. Not even consideration. Talk about taxation without representation. I easily could have gone to NWA when they started to hire unfortunatly i had one thing working against me I was in Montreal finishing up my training for Compass (obviously NWA won't consider a Compass pilot for NWA mainline until there 30 months are up)
I can deal with a furlough if I have a seniorty number or new i had a job at Delta but the whole idea of just getting kicked out of my job for not even be represented by my union is absolutly hilarious.
Again I don't mind the whole talk of furlough but some consideration to those of us at Compass who have been paying dues to the Mainline from day 1 While others who were hired at NWA after us still don't pay dues to the union.. Kind of weird????
Everybody says you got to keep your flow thru. Really it was in our contract. Was NWA MEC going to negiotate away my Contract at Compass on my behalf? They probably tried but unfortunatly we have our own contract at Compass which is binding and guarenteed us a flow thru at NWA. If they did not want to guarentee the flow thru they would have had to negotiate it out of our contract. So far I have seen more support from the Delta guys they NWA guys concerning our fate. Just a few observations from the Compass side.
Does anybody find it ironic that I have been paying ALPA dues to NWA lec/mec 1 for almost two years. Supposidly i am represented by the NWA union but for some reason I have no idea about my future after the merger. Not even consideration. Talk about taxation without representation. I easily could have gone to NWA when they started to hire unfortunatly i had one thing working against me I was in Montreal finishing up my training for Compass (obviously NWA won't consider a Compass pilot for NWA mainline until there 30 months are up)
I can deal with a furlough if I have a seniorty number or new i had a job at Delta but the whole idea of just getting kicked out of my job for not even be represented by my union is absolutly hilarious.
Again I don't mind the whole talk of furlough but some consideration to those of us at Compass who have been paying dues to the Mainline from day 1 While others who were hired at NWA after us still don't pay dues to the union.. Kind of weird????
Everybody says you got to keep your flow thru. Really it was in our contract. Was NWA MEC going to negiotate away my Contract at Compass on my behalf? They probably tried but unfortunatly we have our own contract at Compass which is binding and guarenteed us a flow thru at NWA. If they did not want to guarentee the flow thru they would have had to negotiate it out of our contract. So far I have seen more support from the Delta guys they NWA guys concerning our fate. Just a few observations from the Compass side.
Beeks!
You couldn't of said it any better!!!
We all got told the same line of crap in the first days "the only way to NWA was thru CPZ".
Doesn't the union have a legal mandate to represent the best interest of ALL its due paying members!! So in this case, not just the DAL pilots, but CPZ as well!
#7
Being pretty senior at CP myslef, If anything were to, lets say...'flow' I could probably go down to waitin tables..or dancin on em.Either way, I'd only be out of work for about a week and be making just as much if not more.
#8
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2009
Posts: 354
Compass in its best month only trained about 20 pilots per month. Using that number, it will take 16 months to flowback to Compass and another 16 months to flow back up. Mother Delta would have to furlough for 3 years just to train everyone.
I would be surprised if more than 25 guys flowed back. 600 were on furlough when Compass started, and 3 or 4 came?
I would be surprised if more than 25 guys flowed back. 600 were on furlough when Compass started, and 3 or 4 came?
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