vonerotate

There were 3 or 4 guys that didn't meet the minimums that they cheated on and the HR types were fired for that. Most of the pilots there are far above the minimum requirements...just like NWA. The captains at compass would all be competitive at NWA/Delta....I was one of many that got a call from NWA and then told I wasn't eligible because I was at CP. Guys were turned down by Compass and eventually got picked up by NWA. Point to my rambling is mins of 1500TT and 1000ME were just that, mins. Very few were any where near those numbers.....ATA, Champion, Skybus, etc. provided a good number of the FO's.

seamonster

NWA standards? Delta standards? I talked to a guy who interviewed at Republicin 86', now a NW pilot, and said the interview was NOT what we go through today. I have also talked to a DL guy who said the same about big D i the 70's, and a far cry from the interviews in the 60's when people upgraded in 3-4 years and then remained Captain for 30 years or more.

seamonster

why not staple comair?

Kingbird87

There are no doubt a majority of Compass pilots that would be a tremendous addition to Delta Air Lines. There are also, no doubt some that would not be hired competitively at Delta. I thought my Air Force UPT training was very good, and I still flew with quite a few clueless wonders in my career that graduated from the same training, some got major jobs, some didn't. It's Delta's prerogative to hire who they want, not entertain anyone flying for a regional they contract with. This is a competitive business, and thats a good thing. If they have a four year degree, good flying training, an excellent performance record, meet physical standards, and pass all personality and sim tests, bring em on. If they don't, then reapply if and when they do. Airlines hire pilots, and they hire people, they get to choose what qualities in both instances they want to carry their banner.

80ktsClamp

Because it's Comair!


Compass, although having a bit relaxed hiring for some of their more junior FOs, would meld much easier into DAL mainline than any of the others.

RoughLandings

You all are aware that, with the flow agreement in place, current CPZ pilots do not have to interview before accepting the flow-through (assuming it ever happens)...

So, isn't this discussion about whether we are worthy kind of a moot point?

seamonster

right...........

aircraftdriver

It's good to all you guys support CPS pilots even if it's mainly a result of wanting the airplanes on the DAL certificate. That doesn't hurt my feelings.

If this actually happened, lets talk about staffing and pay.

If there was no furlough as a result of this deal, I would assume all CPS FOs would stay E175 FOs. Then, it would take 12 months (estimate) to train 160 DAL pilots to be E175 Captains. As a DAL pilot transitions into the seat, the former CPS captain would go to another plane..whatever.

So that means for up to 8 months, a former CPS guy would be a DAL Captain...how about those apples. Anyway, that neat experience would be short lived..but it is a fact. So, what should a CPS/DAL Captain be paid?

As a CPS CA now, I would love to paid Year 1 DAL Captain pay for my time flying the E175 as CA. Then, whatever I fly as FO, I would be happy with year 1 DAL FO rate. Now, thats the way it should be. It's unfair to many of the DAL FOs, but hey, thats the way it should be. I'm a capitalist. But not only that, if you paid us CPS guys any less, it would set a bad precident for what guys are worth (from the Mad dog guy to the 747 driver).

BUT, to get this deal done...that is E175s on the DAL certificate and me a lowly CPS guy on the DAL list as a result of the staple job....

I would then want at minimum, my CPS CA pay rate while I'm flying the E175 and then when I go the FO seat, I'll take the DAL year 1 FO pay. But, I want my DAL longevity to start as soon as the staple job is complete. Ideally, I want longevity to start from my hire date at CPS, but I'm not going to be unrealistic because quite frankly, the flow agreement has me starting at year 1 anyway.

But, lets not forget that a CPS does not have to flow right now. So, a staple job (while the majority want it), is a negative for some guys at CPS. So, therefore, lets all not be so quick to accept the existing language that a CPS guy should go immediately to year 1 pay.

Anyhow, what say you?

vonerotate

There are no doubt Compass pilots that wouldn't be hired at Delta...and Delta pilots that wouldn't be hired at NWA...and NWA pilots that wouldn't be hired at Delta.....and NWA/Delta pilots who weren't hired by compass. Compas pilots were interviewed by NWA pilots...flew a NWA sim...and did the NWA medical.
There are, and always will be, some that get through whatever interview you have that shouldn't. Training department is there to sort those few out.

seamonster

Hire them all and let the training department sort them out? WHAT.