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8LatRB 02-22-2009 12:32 AM


Originally Posted by fireman0174 (Post 564262)
—I'm trying to resist, somewhat unsuccessfully, everyone's attempt to make this about fewer than five people—

Not much resistance when you make appearances on 60 minutes, the major networks, CNN and others patting yourself on the back.

forumname 02-22-2009 12:57 AM


Originally Posted by captjns (Post 564392)
it just happened to be that it was two pilots, in two separate incidents, one named Haynes, and the other Sullenberger that saved the day.

Opinions will vary, but I believe it was more that just "two pilots". BOTH cockpits/cabins had very competent people in them, regardless of which seat/position they were occupying.

Both cockpit/cabin crews did outstanding jobs.

If you research Sioux City a little more, there were A LOT of factors that helped reduced the amount of fatalities. Just like the Hudson situation, there are a lot of things that were in their favor that day.

Had some of those factors not been there, they could have ended up worse than they did.

captjns 02-22-2009 01:07 AM


Not much resistance when you make appearances on 60 minutes, the major networks, CNN and others patting yourself on the back.

The interviews you see on TV is not what is portrayed by those being interviewed. It’s known as sound bites and creative editing without guidance or participation from those being interviewed… that’s where sensationalism comes into the mix.

Let’s assume Sullenberger referenced his F/O, and his F/As throughout the raw interview. It was the Journos who deleted most references to them. It was the Journos who wanted only ONE hero… that “HERO” was Sullenberger, and not the entire crew.

Journos don’t know, let alone care, that a crew operates as one… and that hero was the CREW.

Sullenberger is categorically NOT the type to say, “I want to thank the little people who made this possible for me.”

captjns 02-22-2009 01:37 AM


Originally Posted by forumname (Post 564542)
Opinions will vary, but I believe it was more that just "two pilots". BOTH cockpits/cabins had very competent people in them, regardless of which seat/position they were occupying.

Both cockpit/cabin crews did outstanding jobs...


You are right on the money… but it goes far beyond the flight deck and the cabin crews.

In the case of the Hudson River water landing… minimally, you have ATC, ferry boat crews, NYPD, NYFD, NY and NJ Emergency Services, and civilians on both sides of the river.

As for the Sioux City incident, minimally, you have ATC, Airport Fire and Rescue, Hospital Triage centers, and civilians too.

I humbly apologize to the rest of the participants responsible for the life saving efforts, who I did not mention in my comments above… for they too should be included and categorized as heroes as their efforts made the difference between life and death.

Both Sully and Haynes and their cabin crews have made, and will continue to make that fact known.

⌐ AV8OR WANNABE 02-22-2009 10:27 AM


Originally Posted by 9kBud (Post 564514)
Great article. However, I am not going to sell my potential short or that of anybody else here by making a comment regarding how we won't have any great airmen left after the Sully's and Haynes' are all retired.

Agree 100%!

⌐ AV8OR WANNABE 02-22-2009 10:37 AM


Originally Posted by captjns (Post 564545)
... Let’s assume Sullenberger referenced his F/O, and his F/As throughout the raw interview. It was the Journos who deleted most references to them. It was the Journos who wanted only ONE hero… that “HERO” was Sullenberger, and not the entire crew.

Journos don’t know, let alone care, that a crew operates as one… and that hero was the CREW.

Sullenberger is categorically NOT the type to say, “I want to thank the little people who made this possible for me.”

Well, I do wonder what he meant when he said:

"Circumstance determined that it was this experienced crew that was scheduled to fly on that particular flight on that particular day," Sullenberger said during the ceremony honoring him..."

At what point does someone become experienced in Sully's world? :confused:

Blueridger 02-22-2009 12:14 PM

The crew is only considered "experienced" when the narrator of the story was one of the crew.......

captjns 02-22-2009 01:06 PM


Originally Posted by ⌐ AV8OR WANNABE (Post 564732)
At what point does someone become experienced in Sully's world? :confused:

I have to admit... I'm confused by your question.

⌐ AV8OR WANNABE 02-22-2009 01:35 PM


Originally Posted by captjns (Post 564832)
I have to admit... I'm confused by your question.

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bondjamesbond 02-22-2009 05:30 PM


Originally Posted by 727C47 (Post 564366)
We are all the sons and daughters of Ernie Gann, St.Ex, Len Morgan, and all the giants, and pioneers who went before us. This profession is a sacred trust. The other Sullys are out there, flying the line, anonymously,till fate taps them on the shoulder and its their turn in the box. I've met Capt. Haynes, in my prior life at an ALPA conference, like Sully,he made me proud to wear stripes.

Well said.


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