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NuGuy 03-07-2009 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Free Bird (Post 573925)
I think it appropriate to have people who actually flew during the regulated era to comment on this. Everything else is mostly speculation.

However, one thing is for sure, the vast majority of our population can now afford to fly as they could not before. The pay and quality of life for airline employees is now significantly worse. Conclusion, lots of people now fly because the airline industry (employees) subsidize the fares. With the carnage of the industry post regulation I think it's safe to say that the industry can't support the current fares either.

All the airlines continue to struggle with no end in sight.

I tried commenting, but my rather innocuous response got me a mod warning, so here it is again, mellow style:

His information is not particularly accurate. It, in no way, describes the activities of trunk carriers, local service carriers, the civil aeronautics board or the CAA/FAA accurately.

Nu

Jake Wheeler 03-08-2009 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by 1515greenlight (Post 573983)
After I nearly choked on my coffee, I almost laughed my ass off. Then I shook my head in dismay. What class on history of airlines did you flunk?

Hindsight is 20/20, but nostalgia is exceedingly myopic and almost blind.

Good point about remembering history. George Santayana's implies we not only learn the correct history, but also to apply the correct lessons in avoiding the same mistakes.

Sniper 03-08-2009 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by NuGuy (Post 574423)
His information is not particularly accurate. It, in no way, describes the activities of trunk carriers, local service carriers, the civil aeronautics board or the CAA/FAA accurately.

Agreed. For those interested in the history of commercial aviation in the US, with a detailed discussion of business practices, ethics, and how deregulation came about, pick up a copy of "Hard Landing" by Thomas Petzinger, Jr., a Wall Street Journal reporter and winner of the Gerald Loeb Prize, the highest award in business and financial journalism.

It, along with "Flying the Line (both 1 and 2) are perhaps the 3 best books on the history of US commercial aviation, and give you both the labor and management perspective.

Mason32 03-08-2009 12:10 PM

Base pilot pay should be $1 p/h, per pax seat behind the door. Then step raises from there. Per diem for all time away from base is pretty standard, but I would like to see the national minimum wage applied to "on duty" time from sign in till clocking out. It doesn[t seem correct to be getting the same $2 per hour per diem, regardless if I'm sitting in the hotel room, or out preflighting the plane.

Re-regulation isn't going to help in this economy.... but it also wouldn't hurt either... so, when times do turn around, is it better to be regulated or not? I think most people know the answer to that one.... The pendulum has swung about as far right as it can, from a position of about as far left back in the late 60's early 70's... it's time to start drifting it back towards the middle.


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