Originally Posted by Razorback flyer (Post 576284)

They can't put anyone out on the street until they get the 88 beefed up. That won't be done until about July or so, and we probably need all of those bodies through the end of the summer. (I Just got done with 2 three day rotations off reserve that nearly put me over 30 in 7) Then you're talking about taking the quite a few of the pilots you just trained for that airplane, putting them on the street, and training a whole new batch to take their place. That would add quite a bit of cost as well - although I understand the training dept has had revolving doors before. That being said, that puts a furlough fairly deep in the economic cycle (In September the recession would be 22 months old,) and likely (hopefully!) closer to end than the beginning. Does it make sense to cut when you may have to bring those pilots back in less than 2 years?

And then, of course, there is the 76 seat issue. Does anybody know how many are actually on property, or on their way? I guess the deal says (on paper) if any of us get furloughed, they get knocked down to 126 (?) of those airplanes immediately. And for whatever reason, management still seem to have a woody for those things.

We also haven't had any voluntary leaves/furloughs/early outs etc. offered to the pilot group - so hopefully they'll go there before kicking us to the curb.

Then there are the arguments of no furlough clauses, under staffing in the north, more airframes on the way, company making money, summer schedules vs. all the negatives in the world and industry right now.

Its gonna be a close call, to be sure. Lots of variables, and Airline management is world renowned for stepping over dollars to pick up pennies. We can only hope that this group is different. As ACL said, all will become clear in a few days. I'm in the bottom 50, so I'll be one of the first to find out...

Hoping for the best, already planned for the worst.

Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 576477)

Needless to say go get your wives pregnant. :)

Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 576477)

This pull down will not result in furloughs. The last displacements planned for this if we decided not to do it, we would have had a reinstatement.
DAL is about 150~ or so pilot fat going in to the summer
Post SOC the joint company will be about 160~ or so short.

Needless to say go get your wives pregnant. :)

Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 576477)

This pull down will not result in furloughs. The last displacements planned for this if we decided not to do it, we would have had a reinstatement.
DAL is about 150~ or so pilot fat going in to the summer
Post SOC the joint company will be about 160~ or so short.

Needless to say go get your wives pregnant. :)

Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 576506)

I do not know. I just started calling people until I got someone that knew what was going on.
Call over there, see what they say.
I guess to those in the know it is not a big deal.
What I did notice on the internal memo was that these cuts were why they asked for more voluntary early outs. They stated that overall they were happy with the staffing cuts, but there were a few areas that were still over staffed. I saw that a good sign. I then made some calls.

They could make a liar out of me, but there was some really good data to back up the statement.
Steve should be in the ATL lounge today. Someone can ask him there.

Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 576512)

Thanks for the quick response ACL. :) One think I've noticed since our relationship with DAL began is that DAL management seems to really be on top of things. They seem very pro-active, & that is somewhat comforting.

PS-My wife is 33 weeks pregnant now, so what do I do? ;)

Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 576526)

SLEEP AS MUCH AS YOU CAN!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 576514)

I know and that comment was actually directed at you.

I just hope that this news holds. It sounds like it really will. Add to that, that we have a lot of jets that are getting nice tans in VCV that need to get off vacation. 2010 looks good for those to come back. Once again, I hope that holds

Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 575941)

If any of you guys get furloughed will you choose to flow back to compass, or to mesaba?

Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 576639)

They have done that. We have been at about 72 all winter. It will go up this summer and then we will go back down to that in the fall. I see a few SIL's coming too. They love those things. They work real well and effectively pay for the health care of those on SIL. (+ a little bit)
They are great furlough mitigation.

Originally Posted by Superpilot92 (Post 576825)

On that note, the Nwa side isn't reduced anymore. Which is a good thing because that's also unused breathing room.

Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 576639)

They have done that. We have been at about 72 all winter. It will go up this summer and then we will go back down to that in the fall. I see a few SIL's coming too. They love those things. They work real well and effectively pay for the health care of those on SIL. (+ a little bit)
They are great furlough mitigation.

Originally Posted by IFlyForFood (Post 576998)

Anyone know what the last pilot/new-hire class was with Delta? Just curious.

Originally Posted by IFlyForFood (Post 576998)

Anyone know what the last pilot/new-hire class was with Delta? Just curious.

Originally Posted by flying_wendell (Post 577021)

If you get furloughed and go to compass, and then find something better and leave compass does it affect your status with mama delta?

Originally Posted by flying_wendell (Post 577021)

If you get furloughed and go to compass, and then find something better and leave compass does it affect your status with mama delta?

Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 577262)

If you quit Compass after accepting the flow back, you lose your job @ mainline. Basically quitting Compass is quitting Mainline.

I'll double check the language in the LOA of my DeltaNorth PWA, but that's how I understood the language.

Originally Posted by Dash8widget (Post 577267)

I read the agreement a few weeks ago and I don't think that is correct. From what I read, if you quit Compass it has no effect on your recall status at DL. Now, if you get fired from Compass - different story.

Originally Posted by Dash8widget (Post 577267)

I read the agreement a few weeks ago and I don't think that is correct. From what I read, if you quit Compass it has no effect on your recall status at DL. Now, if you get fired from Compass - different story.

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 577301)

Forgot to Bid - that's yet another reason why we need one list if we have Delta pilots flowing down. We need the Delta MEC administering issues that involve Delta pilots.