Unprecedented? You need history lessons. A return to the old, original, business models... maybe

Ok, and if there were a bottomless pot of gold in Arpey's office... do you think they would say any different? Nobody is saying there is an endless supply of money, people are saying the way it is divided up is wrong. Managment gets a disproportionate level of that compensation.

Actually, it's the other way around. The leadership is more hardline than the average line guy. But that's ok, unions need strong motivated individuals in those positions fighting for the best deal they can get.

Smaller AA? You mean because the ENTIRE industry is reducing capacity right?

You have a very defeatest attitude. In reality, the pilots have nothing at all to lose by demanding as much as possible...

You work at Eagle right? Have you even read your union's own arbitration results over the last time AMR tried to subcontract. I don't even work there, and I've read it. I'll save you the time, it basically said, unless Eagle was already in maximum growth mode and unable to meet AMR additional flying needs, there wasn't a need for outside contracting. That was based on AMR's own statements.

Wow Mason 32 your right! Thanks for helping out Eaglefly he is an old AE CA and sometimes get lost if his FO forgets to give him his Alzheimer’s medication. I think the APA will get what they want but my fear is the AA pilot group will give up on scope and work rules to keep pension and pay? It seems to be rational for mainline pilots.

This is my first Pilot vs Management.

GO APA!!!

He is right, AA pilots will be offered two options: make $300 an hour again and retain decent retirement bennies, or make $225 an hour and keep scope. We know what you will choose, its what has been chosen so many times before to get us where we are at today. Don't be a selfish fool.

Too much snow and not enough kisses in MSN has chilled you my brother.

Of course, they have nothing to lose. It's standard practice to widen the "box" as much as possible. If you don't know what that is (in reference to labor negotiations), call the APA office and I'm sure they'll advise you as you've clearly become the the American Eagle representative of the APA.

I'm not arguing what AMR can pay.

I'm not arguing what AMR SHOULD pay.

I'm not arguing what AA pilots are entitled to (which is one HELL of a lot more then they've gotten).

I'm arguing what AMR believes they can and cannot accept, be it rational or not.

You'd think after 8 years here, you'd understand your nemesis, but your propensity to confuse what you want and believe SHOULD happen with what a dysfunctional and hopelessly self-centered corporate management "team" will ultimately do.

Smaller "AA", because more of their flying will be ultimately assigned (NOT taken) by dupes and saps who have no say and work for less.

That's you, me and the "players to be named later".

That's what it appears to be coming down to. I'm not advocating it, but PREDICTING it because I see no viable alternative that the adversaries can live with.

Are you familiar with the Middle East ?

It's 2009 and conflict and intransigence rules nowadays.

Did you recently leave ?

That's new to me.

I've read plenty and am more familiar than you think.

A new kid on the block.............whattya gonna do ?

It's easy to slouch into the old "geezer" attack (common among the 500 hour kids who can barely handle a skyhawk) and I could retort about teaching you kids to do a night visual (which about half of you cannot do), but that serves no purpose but to agree to participate in a tanbark fight with a kid.

You think a lot of things that are mostly incorrect and worship what you WANT to happen as opposed to what past history, current economic conditions and leverage will produce.

I'd love for you to be right - that the APA will bring AMR to their knees. In fact, after they do that and the mechanics and even perhaps the flight attendants also then do the same (intoxicated by the pilots success, the companies weakness and smelling AMR blood in the water), that the APA will hold onto their gains and AMR will suddenly place the interests of employees above their own corporate capitalist needs.

But thats the "hash pipe" version of reality. I thought that at least 3 times over the last 20 years myself and NOT ONE of those ended up happening. In round 4 for me, mainline pilot odds (and leverage) are WORSE then the last 3 trips around the block.

Welcome to the party kid...............you're in for a painful and frustrating education.

LMFAO.................you made my day.

Eaglefly how you make me laugh! This is what happens to a 20 year Eagle CA that tends to mix Viagra, Alzheimer’s medication and O’doul’s together. They just start talking crazy and doom and gloom. I am hoping that APA has learned from the past mistakes. But I don’t expect much because elb14 is right!

Eaglefly try to give something for us FO’s to be excited about. We don’t have much. When we actually get the privilege to fly with each other you can teach me how to make an ILS and I will teach you how to fly an L-100 AKA civilian version of a C-130H into Luanda airport in Angola. Not all of us FO’s got hired with 500 hrs but I was still professional to them all.
Thanks for the warm welcome. Yes I have a lot to learn but that’s why I am asking so many questions. The airline industry is very interesting.

Cheers Bru!