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I actually have no desire to debate the nuances of the 2nd amendment with anyone. I understand that most of the folks on this site are pro gun- ownership, and I'm not going to waste my time trying to convert anybody (that would be like trying to beat back the ocean with a hammer). I was trying to make 2 points, which I will try to summarize in a non-sarcastic manner. First of all, I believe that it is dishonest to use the 2nd amendment as justification for gun ownership (just admit that you think that they're fun and/or you feel protected by them). And the second point is that for MANY people, guns are a FALSE sense of security (see my second post in this thread for further clarification).

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Um, ok. For your sake, I hope that you're right!

And I hope for your sake an armed criminal never makes it into your home some night.
Dude, since you don't own guns, your "rules of thumb" on gun ownership are like one of my passengers trying to give me advice on how to handle an emergency. Yeah, some people may freeze in a crisis, and some won't, some will hit what they aim at, some will miss...but having a gun in hand when needed is infinitely superior to the gun still sitting under glass in a store (or worse yet, legislated into confiscation).
It's dishonest to expect our Constitutional rights to be protected? GMAB!
A day at the range can be a lot of fun...sorry you don't understand. But I have never felt protected BY a gun, I protect myself and my family WITH my training and WITH the firearms I own.
OK, maybe like for some people driving a big car is a false sense of security and/or power. Like some people FEEL more powerful/invulnerable when they drink.

Droog (and a few others), no doubt you've already made up your mind(s) in the matter. Fine. I ain't gonna change your mind ad you ain't gonna change mine. Slice's excerpt from "On Killing" is right on the money and I have no doubt HIFLYR will defend his and his own if necessary...just as I will, no question about it. It really is that simple.

Don't like guns? Fine, don't buy one. Bottom line is gun control has never been proven to make a society safer, and I'd say there is really plenty of evidence to the contrary.
or Droog;) Sorry, couldn't resist.

The thing that is most frustrating for those of us who are anti-gun (besides 2nd Amendment interpretation) is that we are forced to hope that the citizens who choose to carry a gun (conceal permit or FFDO or whatever) act responsibly, assess threat correctly and don't act out of selfish need.

Baa......................

kinda like getting on the freeway at rush hour (I paraphrased your quote to make my point). Welcome to society, you cannot create a eutopia via legislation.

I second Slice's "Baaaa" to you

I know of at least two guys that have gotten the rejection email in the last two days. Sounds like the TSA is cutting back.

Obama Still Looking to Kill the FFDO Program?

No,

He's more likely to tax it into submission...

to people that don't like guns
 

To all the people that don't own or believe in ownership of firearms, You need to put up a sign in your front yard that says "we want to be safe, this is a gun free house" Until you do that you are just leaching off the security that gun owners with training like myself provided with omni presence. In other words the criminals don't know which house has guns and which ones do not.
So put out a sign and stop living in my shadow!