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Originally Posted by 402Fanatic
(Post 595237)
***? That is ridiculous. It's those extras that make you go huh? Who agreed to that?
It reminds me of that female exec at DL a few years ago (can't remember her name)...as part of her severance package they were going to give her family unlimited positive space in Y on DL for life...wasn't good enough and she whined until they made it F for life. When you are leaving with millions of dollars and nothing to show for it, I think you could afford some F tickets yourself. |
Originally Posted by syd111
(Post 595492)
I am not sure I follow you here, are you saying with very little training you could be the ceo or cfo of one of these major corporations? I am not saying airline management does a great job but I find it hard to believe that as pilot you are qualified to be top management at one of these companies. You also mentioned continued pay cuts, what airline do you work for that you keep taking pay cuts?
I have some schooling in that exact area! I have also managed over 350 people before! As for the airline I work for..... You should be able to figure that out on your own! Good luck... We all need it! What we need is good leadership! That is very rare these days! |
Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy
(Post 595242)
I always enjoy reading these threads. Everyone at the bottom of the food chain thinks management does nothing for the company.
If you don't agree with it, start up your own airline and work for whatever wage you think is reasonable. I think you'll find out that it is harder than it looks. -Fatty |
Originally Posted by Al Aska
(Post 595619)
Well... Yes I think I could do as good if not better than a lot of the ceo's!
I have some schooling in that exact area! I have also managed over 350 people before! As for the airline I work for..... You should be able to figure that out on your own! Good luck... We all need it! What we need is good leadership! That is very rare these days! Best of luck. |
Originally Posted by skid
(Post 595125)
For the most part I am not so angery about the 360K salary.
My complaint is the rest. The company does not run unless everyone involved does their job. My wife, an AS FA, got a small bonus for performance (OPR). This is all uncle bill should see too. NO ONE IN ANY COMPANY IS WORTH THOSE HIGH BONUSES! If he takes his income and invests it on his own 401K style thing to invest in airline stocks fine, but everything else is crazy, including the parachutes! What do we, as pilots think we are worth? What is the public's typical reaction when a newspaper prints an article summarizing pilots' salaries in the $100K - $200K range? Many in my community were appalled when the local paper printed the "average" salary for a pilot during our negotiations a few years ago. Many pilots felt the numbers were low, many non-pilots felt we were overpaid and not worth the salaries. I don't believe in rewarding failure and lack of good ethics, but I do believe in earning what you can negotiate - including CEO's. |
Originally Posted by jayray
(Post 595654)
Yes, because everyone knows today's CEOs started their own airlines. If I started my own airline I'd pay myself only what I needed to live on and leave everything else with the company and/or re-invest. Why isn't management today doing that?
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Originally Posted by alfaromeo
(Post 595503)
Michelle Burns, and her pass privilege contract was rejected in total in bankruptcy, along with Leo. At least something good came out of bankruptcy.
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Originally Posted by 757Driver
(Post 595396)
Where do I start with this one. Perhaps you think you reside at the bottom of the food chain, but I'm of the opinion that I don't.
CEO's need to account for their actions just like I do when something gets f'd up. My CEO received a substantial raise after we lost millions of dollars while the rest of us peons took extensive cuts. Care to explain that one to me? |
Originally Posted by jayray
(Post 595654)
Yes, because everyone knows today's CEOs started their own airlines. If I started my own airline I'd pay myself only what I needed to live on and leave everything else with the company and/or re-invest. Why isn't management today doing that?
I suspect you wouldn't work for cost either. You would take a bit paycheck like everyone else would. |
If you want to be a CEO, try to be a CEO. If you want to be a pilot, try to be a pilot. Your salary will depend on subjective negotiable performance or supply/demand, respectively.
Fair? Ehh...it's the way the it happens until it changes. |
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