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DelDah Capt 05-11-2009 04:59 PM

That commute might get a little harder...
 
Airline Defends Training of Pilot in Crash - WSJ.com

From a WSJ article that previews tommorow's NTSB hearings on Colgan 3407:


The National Transportation Safety Board hearing also will delve into fatigue affecting pilots who have long airline commutes from home before starting their duty day. Like the majority of Colgan pilots who work out of Newark, Capt. Renslow had to fly to commute to work. His co-pilot, Rebecca Shaw, took an overnight red-eye flight from Seattle the day of the accident.
As a commuter (albeit with a relatively short commute), this a can of worms that I don't want opened. The last thing I want to see are restrictions placed on how I get to work.

G-Dog 05-11-2009 05:21 PM

Well, if they expect us to live in base, then they need to look at where I work. RAH opens and closes bases at will, it seems. I would hate of have to move every few years. I did not join the military, although the airlines are somewhat paramilitary.

ChickenFlight 05-11-2009 06:23 PM

Airlines benefit from commuters just as much as pilots do. Commuters (such as I) have more motivation to make sure overnight legs do not cancel, to keep on schedule and to get weight restrictions lifted. (Though the last example is more an issue for the regional forum, it makes sense that we might be able to get a few revenue pax on in addition to our fellow commuters. )

Furthermore, one justification for not paying moving expenses for pilots is that we can just commute. Base closures and displacements are common and easy ways for airlines to align costs, but if we all the sudden have to move to our new bases, a whole new can of contractual worms gets opened.

I have a feeling that the same lobby that has kept work and duty rules on the books for so long may actually be on our side on this one particular issue

FlyJSH 05-11-2009 06:27 PM

Can you imagine if every regional pilot in DC, Newark, or New York had to earn enough mony to actually LIVE there?

KC10 FATboy 05-11-2009 06:55 PM

I don't commute (fly) to work. I drive. I live 80 miles away from my base (New York).

It is doable provided gas isn't $140 a barrrel.

effsharp 05-11-2009 06:57 PM

I'm going out on a limb here, but I bet there are poor people living in all those places.:D

FlyJSH 05-11-2009 09:23 PM


Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy (Post 608712)
I don't commute (fly) to work. I drive. I live 80 miles away from my base (New York).

It is doable provided gas isn't $140 a barrrel.

Don't mean to bust your chops, but how practical is that on reserve with a 90 minute callout?

FlyJSH 05-11-2009 09:24 PM


Originally Posted by effsharp (Post 608714)
I'm going out on a limb here, but I bet there are poor people living in all those places.:D

True. And how many of those hold your loved ones lives in their hands?

KC10 FATboy 05-11-2009 09:27 PM


Originally Posted by FlyJSH (Post 608772)
Don't mean to bust your chops, but how practical is that on reserve with a 90 minute callout?

I'm well within the callout time for the cesspool they call Newark.

Riddler 05-12-2009 01:40 AM


Originally Posted by FlyJSH (Post 608687)
Can you imagine if every regional pilot in DC, Newark, or New York had to earn enough mony to actually LIVE there?

Regional? Ha! I was CAL mainline and couldn't afford to live anywhere near EWR.


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