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CE750 05-21-2009 05:08 PM

Regulation..
 
Simple question..

Why is it that I can't get into a cab, take a muni-bus, local or long distance train or what ever other mode of public transportation without it being regulated (in terms of the pricing).. but the industry with the highest costs (captal outlays), which is the airline industry is "De-regulated"?

Why?

BoredwLife 05-21-2009 05:46 PM

Just to mess with your head!!

DYNASTY HVY 05-21-2009 06:21 PM

Hopefully this will help !
 
Since 1937, the federal Civil Aeronautics Board (CAB) had regulated all domestic interstate air transport routes as a public utility, setting fares, routes, and schedules. Airlines that flew only intrastate routes, however, were not regulated by the CAB. Those airlines were regulated by the governments of the States, in which they operated. The CAB promoted air travel, for instance by generally attempting to hold fares down in the short-haul market, to be subsidized by higher fares in the long-haul market. The CAB also was obliged to ensure that the airlines had a reasonable rate of return.
The CAB earned a reputation for bureaucratic complacency; airlines were subject to lengthy delays when applying for new routes or fare changes, which were not often approved. World Airways applied to begin a low-fare New York City to Los Angeles route in 1967; the CAB studied the request for over six years only to dismiss it because the record was "stale." Continental Airlines began service between Denver and San Diego after eight years only because a United States Court of Appeals ordered the CAB to approve the application.
This rigid system encountered tremendous pressure in the 1970s. The 1973 energy crisis and stagflation radically changed the economic environment, as did technological advances such as the jumbo jet. Most of the major airlines, whose profits were virtually guaranteed, favored the rigid system. But passengers forced to pay escalating fares did not, nor communities which subsidized air service at ever-dearer rates. Congress became concerned that air transport in the long run might follow the nation's railroads into trouble; in 1970 the Penn Central Railroad had collapsed in what was then the largest bankruptcy in history, resulting in a huge taxpayer bailout in 1976.
Leading economists had argued for several decades that this sort of regulation led to inefficiency and higher costs. In 1970-71 the Council of Economic Advisors in the Richard Nixon Administration, along with the Antitrust Division of the Department of Justice and other agencies, proposed legislation which would diminish price collusion and entry barriers in rail and truck transportation. While this initiative was in process, in the follow-on Gerald Ford Administration, the United States Senate Judiciary Committee, which had jurisdiction over the antitrust laws, a part of competition law, began 1975 hearings on airline deregulation. Senator Ted Kennedy took the lead in these hearings. This committee was deemed a more friendly forum than what likely would have been the more appropriate venue, the Aviation Subcommittee of the Commerce Committee. The Gerald Ford Administration supported the Senate Judiciary Committee initiative.
In 1977, President Jimmy Carter appointed Alfred E. Kahn, a professor of economics at Cornell University, to be chair of the CAB. A concerted push for the legislation had developed, drawing on leading economists, leading 'think tanks' in Washington, a civil society coalition advocating the reform (patterned on a coalition earlier developed for the truck-and-rail-reform efforts), the head of the regulatory agency, Senate leadership, the Carter Administration, and even some in the airline industry. This coalition swiftly gained legislative results in 1978.
Dan McKinnon would be the last Chairman of the CAB and would oversee its final closure on January 1, 1985.

The Act intended for various restrictions on airline operations to be removed over four years, with complete elimination of restrictions on domestic routes and new services by December 31, 1981, and the end of all domestic fare regulation by January 1, 1983. In practice, changes came rather more rapidly.
Among its many terms, the Act:
  • gradually eliminated the CAB's authority to set fares;
  • required the CAB to expedite processing of various requests;
  • liberalized standards for the establishment of new airlines;
  • allowed airlines to take over service on routes underutilized by competitors or on which the competitor received a local service subsidy;
  • authorized international carriers to offer domestic service;
  • placed the evidentiary burden on the CAB for blocking a route as inconsistent with "public convenience";
  • prohibited the CAB from introducing new regulation of charter trips;
  • terminated certain subsidies for carrying mail effective January 1, 1986 and Essential Air Service subsidies effective 10 years from enactment (however, as of 2009, the EAS is still in existence, serving 146 communities in the U.S.);
  • terminated existing mutual aid agreements between air carriers;
  • authorized the CAB to grant antitrust immunity to carriers;
  • directed the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) to develop safety standards for commuter airlines;
  • authorized intrastate carriers to enter into through service and joint fare agreements with interstate air carriers;
  • required air carriers, in hiring employees, to give preference to terminated or furloughed employees of another carrier for 10 years after enactment;
  • gradually transferred remaining regulatory authority to the U.S. Department of Transportation (DOT), and dissolved the CAB itself.
Safety inspections and air traffic control remained in the hands of the FAA, and the act also required the Secretary of Transportation to report to Congress concerning air safety and any implications deregulation would have in that matter.

[edit] Effects

A 1996 Government Accountability Office report found that the average fare per passenger mile was about 9% lower in 1994 than in 1979. Between 1976 and 1990 the paid fare had declined approximately 30% in inflation-adjusted terms. Passenger loads have risen, partly because airlines can now transfer larger aircraft to longer, busier routes and replace them with smaller ones on shorter, lower-traffic routes.
However, these benefits of deregulation have not been distributed evenly throughout the national air transportation network. Costs have fallen more dramatically on heavily trafficked, longer-distance routes than on shorter, lighter ones.
Exposure to competition led to heavy losses and conflicts with labor unions for a number of carriers. Between 1978 and mid-2001, nine major carriers (including Eastern, Midway, Braniff, Pan Am, Continental, America West Airlines, and TWA) and more than 100 smaller airlines went bankrupt or were liquidated—including most of the dozens of new airlines founded in deregulation's aftermath.
For the most part, smaller markets did not suffer the erosion of service predicted by some opponents of deregulation. However, until the advent of low-cost carriers, point-to-point air transport declined in favor of a more pronounced hub-and-spoke system. The larger hubs were served with larger aircraft, the spokes with smaller. While more efficient for serving smaller markets, this system has enabled some airlines to drive out competition from their "fortress hubs." The growth of low-cost carriers such as Southwest Airlines has brought more point-to-point service back into the United States air transport system, and contributed to the development of a wider range of aircraft types that are better adaptable to markets of varying sizes.


It worked out just great !!!!!!!!!!

Fred

DYNASTY HVY 05-21-2009 06:25 PM

Hopefully this will help !
 
oop's double post !!!

CE750 05-21-2009 07:58 PM

what a disaster... the only ones that made out are the bean counters who now run airlines... gone are the Juan Trippe, Howard Hughes, and Bob Six.. In comes the Crandals, Parkers and Tiltons..

Free Bird 05-22-2009 01:27 PM

I think when SWA goes into BK in about 30 years will DC start to think that the De-Regulation thing really didn't work out that well.

alvrb211 05-22-2009 01:47 PM


Originally Posted by Free Bird (Post 615538)
I think when SWA goes into BK in about 30 years will DC start to think that the De-Regulation thing really didn't work out that well.

To date, deregulation is a success.

JJ

CE750 05-22-2009 02:47 PM


Originally Posted by alvrb211 (Post 615551)
To date, deregulation is a success.

JJ

Yes, a success in ending the glory days of the airline industry.

milky 05-22-2009 03:07 PM


Originally Posted by CE750 (Post 615599)
Yes, a success in ending the glory days of the airline industry.

A success at bringing the cost of aviation down and raising our standard of living as a country. As a pilot, the success of the market has brought down wages because of competition. It turns out that pilots will fly for a lot less money than pilots enjoyed in previous decades. If you are currently a pilot that started out in the last 10-20 years as a CFI/regional pilot, you probably contributed to that lowering of wages. But, now that you 'made' it, you want to have it the way it was before. You just don't get that before, you would probably not have gotten a job at a major airline. You almost exclusively had to be a military pilot or spend decades grinding it out to even have a chance at a major airline job.

CE750 05-22-2009 03:22 PM


Originally Posted by milky (Post 615617)
A success at bringing the cost of aviation down and raising our standard of living as a country. As a pilot, the success of the market has brought down wages because of competition. It turns out that pilots will fly for a lot less money than pilots enjoyed in previous decades. If you are currently a pilot that started out in the last 10-20 years as a CFI/regional pilot, you probably contributed to that lowering of wages. But, now that you 'made' it, you want to have it the way it was before. You just don't get that before, you would probably not have gotten a job at a major airline. You almost exclusively had to be a military pilot or spend decades grinding it out to even have a chance at a major airline job.

And I would be ok with that.... It's not like I'm doing any better as a result of Deregulation... and the rest of the pilots who did "make it" are doing worse... So go figure.


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