Ual & Cal
07-03-2009, 07:03 PM
#51
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Posts: 93
Originally Posted by swscap
"I had a dream",that ALPA national had united this "brotherhood"of pilots.
They decided to collectively "force" our respective managements to raise the fares so that they could give us a fair wage. Since it would be collectively done, the pax would have to eat it just as we do when the doctors,lawyers, butchers and bakers pass the bill on to the customer...
Then we would be all happy,and no one merges or goes t/u ,period end of story.
Could we make this a reality??
Please don't give me the story of collusion and price fixing, because no revolution ever started legally.
They decided to collectively "force" our respective managements to raise the fares so that they could give us a fair wage. Since it would be collectively done, the pax would have to eat it just as we do when the doctors,lawyers, butchers and bakers pass the bill on to the customer...
Then we would be all happy,and no one merges or goes t/u ,period end of story.
Could we make this a reality??
Please don't give me the story of collusion and price fixing, because no revolution ever started legally.
Have a good 4th.
S
07-04-2009, 08:32 PM
#52
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Joined APC: Nov 2006
Posts: 258
Originally Posted by cgull
Having come from a striking CAL family, I know what a horrible airline CAL was under Lorenzo with 2 chp 11 under its belt and looking at a third chp 11 before Buthune came in and saved them. I am at UAL and it reminds me of CAL during the Lorenzo era. UAL is the ENRON of airlines.
Maybe the game is to take both airlines into chp 11 and make a merger happen under the duress of the bankruptcy courts.
The following is from an investment pub service so take it for what its worth which may be nothing. Who is going to be the first one in the bankruptcy court?
I'm about to tell you how I know exactly when Continental Airlines will go bankrupt. You might recall my similar work on GM. I spent about two years explaining, quarter after quarter, that there was no way the company could escape bankruptcy. Even though such information can be incredibly valuable to stock traders, my work inspired a lot of anger from our subscribers, who didn't understand my reasoning had nothing to do with cars, or "America," but simply with mathematics. GM's enormous debt load ($172 billion at last count) couldn't be supported by the car company's dwindling market share and negative profit margins. At a certain point (I'd say 2006), it became mathematically impossible for GM to ever make enough money to repay its obligations. The interest payments were compounding faster than it could ever hope to grow the business, and it didn't have enough equity left to refinance.
These situations are tragic for investors, employees, and customers. There are no easy explanations for why companies sometimes end up in these "no way out" scenarios. Thus, it may seem crass or even immoral for me to demonstrate how these situations can be the best investment opportunities of all. But I'd ask that you, if only for a minute, put aside these "good neighbor" emotions. You see, when you buy a stock, an endless number of things might go wrong. As an analyst, it is impossible for me to identify every possible business risk. And as you know, sooner or later, everything that can go wrong will go wrong.
On the other hand, when you're researching companies that are truly stuck in "no way out" scenarios, there aren't any realistic alternatives. No matter what else happens, their debts and interest payments will come due. And that means you can know, with a far higher degree of certainty, what your investing outcome will be. And so, I ask you: Would you rather own a stock that may or may not increase in value? Or would you rather short a stock that you can know, for certain, will go bankrupt by a specific date in the future?
This kind of analysis has always appealed to me because of the certainty. Most subscribers don't know my very first newsletter, written in 1999, accurately predicted the demise of the original AT&T, which was the most widely held stock in America at the time. Most recently, I told my subscribers Continental Airlines will go bankrupt. And now I can even tell you when...
The company has $105 million of equity sitting under more than $12 billion worth of debt. It operates at a loss because its gross margins have fallen in half in only three years. Fuel costs and competition have rendered its full-service, high-cost, and unionized business model obsolete – much like what happened to General Motors. It has $900 million worth of lease and capital obligations coming due this year and only $2.7 billion worth of cash left. In 2011, 40% of its $6 billion in long-term debt will come due.
But the trigger for Continental's bankruptcy will be an obscure clause in its credit-card processing agreement with Chase Bank. The agreement requires Continental to maintain at least 25% of its current obligations in cash. Next year (2010), the portion of its long-term debt that's due in 2011 will become "current" – due within the next 12 months. That will cause Continental's current obligations to soar to nearly $7 billion. At the same time, its cash reserves will be falling. The collapse of the current ratio will trigger a cascade of debt defaults, pushing the airline into bankruptcy. Thus, Continental will go bankrupt at some point in 2010.
I know Continental can do nothing to avoid a default. It only has $105 million of equity left. That's simply not enough to restructure its debts. And it can't operate profitably enough to afford to repay its debts – it doesn't even have enough cash to pay for the planes it has already agreed to buy from Boeing. If you short the stock today, I'm 100% sure you will double your money in 12 to 18 months.
Maybe the game is to take both airlines into chp 11 and make a merger happen under the duress of the bankruptcy courts.
The following is from an investment pub service so take it for what its worth which may be nothing. Who is going to be the first one in the bankruptcy court?
I'm about to tell you how I know exactly when Continental Airlines will go bankrupt. You might recall my similar work on GM. I spent about two years explaining, quarter after quarter, that there was no way the company could escape bankruptcy. Even though such information can be incredibly valuable to stock traders, my work inspired a lot of anger from our subscribers, who didn't understand my reasoning had nothing to do with cars, or "America," but simply with mathematics. GM's enormous debt load ($172 billion at last count) couldn't be supported by the car company's dwindling market share and negative profit margins. At a certain point (I'd say 2006), it became mathematically impossible for GM to ever make enough money to repay its obligations. The interest payments were compounding faster than it could ever hope to grow the business, and it didn't have enough equity left to refinance.
These situations are tragic for investors, employees, and customers. There are no easy explanations for why companies sometimes end up in these "no way out" scenarios. Thus, it may seem crass or even immoral for me to demonstrate how these situations can be the best investment opportunities of all. But I'd ask that you, if only for a minute, put aside these "good neighbor" emotions. You see, when you buy a stock, an endless number of things might go wrong. As an analyst, it is impossible for me to identify every possible business risk. And as you know, sooner or later, everything that can go wrong will go wrong.
On the other hand, when you're researching companies that are truly stuck in "no way out" scenarios, there aren't any realistic alternatives. No matter what else happens, their debts and interest payments will come due. And that means you can know, with a far higher degree of certainty, what your investing outcome will be. And so, I ask you: Would you rather own a stock that may or may not increase in value? Or would you rather short a stock that you can know, for certain, will go bankrupt by a specific date in the future?
This kind of analysis has always appealed to me because of the certainty. Most subscribers don't know my very first newsletter, written in 1999, accurately predicted the demise of the original AT&T, which was the most widely held stock in America at the time. Most recently, I told my subscribers Continental Airlines will go bankrupt. And now I can even tell you when...
The company has $105 million of equity sitting under more than $12 billion worth of debt. It operates at a loss because its gross margins have fallen in half in only three years. Fuel costs and competition have rendered its full-service, high-cost, and unionized business model obsolete – much like what happened to General Motors. It has $900 million worth of lease and capital obligations coming due this year and only $2.7 billion worth of cash left. In 2011, 40% of its $6 billion in long-term debt will come due.
But the trigger for Continental's bankruptcy will be an obscure clause in its credit-card processing agreement with Chase Bank. The agreement requires Continental to maintain at least 25% of its current obligations in cash. Next year (2010), the portion of its long-term debt that's due in 2011 will become "current" – due within the next 12 months. That will cause Continental's current obligations to soar to nearly $7 billion. At the same time, its cash reserves will be falling. The collapse of the current ratio will trigger a cascade of debt defaults, pushing the airline into bankruptcy. Thus, Continental will go bankrupt at some point in 2010.
I know Continental can do nothing to avoid a default. It only has $105 million of equity left. That's simply not enough to restructure its debts. And it can't operate profitably enough to afford to repay its debts – it doesn't even have enough cash to pay for the planes it has already agreed to buy from Boeing. If you short the stock today, I'm 100% sure you will double your money in 12 to 18 months.
07-10-2009, 09:45 AM
#53
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: EMB 145 CPT
Posts: 2,934
Originally Posted by LeeFXDWG
I have not heard of any such thing. Perhaps you are refering to former ALPA members of US Air that wanted DOH?
First, Allegheny Mohawk is the precedent and the minimum required by law at this point. ALPA merger policy and the CBA at UAL both address that precedent as well. To be quite honest, the merger policy at ALPA simply sets the protocol for the process. I think it naive to think that if a merger happened that it would not go to arbitration, and that the arbiter would be bound by both the policy and precedent.
How does the old saying go: If no one is happy then the seniority integration must be fair!
BTW, are you a CAL Capt.
Lee
First, Allegheny Mohawk is the precedent and the minimum required by law at this point. ALPA merger policy and the CBA at UAL both address that precedent as well. To be quite honest, the merger policy at ALPA simply sets the protocol for the process. I think it naive to think that if a merger happened that it would not go to arbitration, and that the arbiter would be bound by both the policy and precedent.
How does the old saying go: If no one is happy then the seniority integration must be fair!
BTW, are you a CAL Capt.
Lee
07-10-2009, 10:53 AM
#54
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Joined APC: Jun 2009
Posts: 49
Originally Posted by CAL EWR
This guy is trying to promote shorting the stock for personal gain, that pretty much invalidates his entire argument. My two cents any way.
Joker
07-12-2009, 12:28 PM
#55
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Joined APC: Feb 2006
Position: B737 CAPT IAH
Posts: 1,130
Originally Posted by Nevets
I believe that ALPA merger policy just very recently has been revised. It would take precedent over Allegheny Mohawk according to law.
The allegheny/Mohawk provision was added to Federal law after the AA/TWA debaucle. Federal law trumps everything if and when the usual post merger litigation occurs.
As always, if two groups "agree" to something then some leeway is given. However, an arbiter is bound by law and the policy. There will be no windfalls for any group going forward even if one group is not ALPA.
Lee
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